Listening to the podcast, this is episode eight and we're continuing on with our new Japan pro wrestling and[inaudible] 28 coverage. Last episode we did basically the first seven nights and now we're gonna. Talk about the rest of the show, the tournament and just kind of general thoughts and booking decisions and all that. So let me go ahead and bring everyone in here. Uh, I'm Johnny Wilkinson for Necronomicon, Massachusetts. We also have from Choco, Texas, Dynamo Mars. Hi everybody. It's me Danimal bonds and from Long Island New York, the ace of our hearts, Michael Koopmans. Hey everybody. It's just Michael come the ace, the ace we have from Taipei, Thailand, l Goro.
Speaker 2:Hey everybody. This is Al Gore and I'm the only person that has the courage to speak truth to power, to tell you the lunch or truth. And here at his night toes, hair looks like a bad way.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's fucking throwing bombs right away here. All right. Finally we have from parts unknown Jakey Pool.
Speaker 2:I'm just trying to get a DDT university. No, nothing makes sense anymore. They changed the thing. It changed the address. Google chrome translate doesn't work for some reason. I'm freaking out. I don't know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1:Do you want to go back and watch all those codes? Booshy matches, don't you?
Speaker 2:No. I want to watch tonight's marching Manji man, that's my jam. That's my weekly pro wrestling. I'm stressing.
Speaker 3:Did they really change the entire site? Like euros and everything and. Yeah, it's really weird. Like normally it was kind of like a separate website altogether. Then their main, a website for the promotion, but now they're kind of folding it into their normal website and like it's not simple enough where you can just use the same login on the new website. Like you gotta you gotTa go through some rigmarole and I don't know what to do. I don't got a coops. Got To help me out with figuring this stuff out. Help him. He's got to check his email for for confirmation thema thingy.
Speaker 4:You want me to do this? Now? You know which email address is linked at? The deadites one thrilling podcasting. For our listeners, it's relevant podcast against relevant podcasts and it's about the continued, a discomfort with navigating Japanese websites to watch her from north Platte, ddt pro.com. And you should be a link that you can. There's a link right on top. You have this click that verify applicant's address.
Speaker 1:And Jake, you were the one giving me shit for fucking bjw core site.
Speaker 4:I, I shut the fuck up.
Speaker 5:That's fuck up. This is, this is real drama. This will be
Speaker 1:podcasts if I shut up. So go ahead you guys.
Speaker 4:It wants me to put my last name and I'm doing that now. Last name?
Speaker 5:Yeah
Speaker 1:guys. We, we literally were not going to fit this in. We have so much to talk about.
Speaker 4:Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Password.
Speaker 5:Alright. So we've lost them. So we'll see. How about that guy?
Speaker 1:Uh, this guy was, was, was amazing. Obviously last year was, you know, was a pretty high watermark for the gun, but uh, this, this year I think it had, had a lot of fantastic matches. I was just looking through and I know Mars is doing right now trying to figure out all his, a four star and higher matches I believe, but I had a ton of them better over four stars from, from just the tournament alone. So it was a, it was a fantastic tournament and a big surprise for me as to who won it. So I'm sure we'll, uh, what does that mean? Mars? John
Speaker 5:seen a one. Law Law. Tonto winds? No, not at all. It was certainly a surprise with, with that when I guess we can start the conversation from the top over the objections of Jakey on that
Speaker 4:I coop to tell me my entire address and shit. Okay.
Speaker 5:Makes it mentioned it to the audience, but anybody listening to this is no. Jesus, anybody listening to this at this point hopefully would have seen the.
Speaker 4:We're just going to come over this.
Speaker 5:We're talking at the same time, but that's hopefully my voice will come through. Clear. Hiroshi Tanahashi is now the three time winner of the g one. I'm picking Kudo. Fuck. That defeated Kodo Bucci in an actual absolutely barn burner of a match
Speaker 1:at times like this. I wish I could. Could add a different volume for everyone. Like I'm spoiled. I'm spoiled in studio when, when I have everyone here I could just control everyone's volume, but
Speaker 6:yes. One more thing and then I'll be done with it. I just, Jake, I just felt like everything and click continue and he said server error. So I'm just putting my address and everything. I said surveyor, so we'll just figure it out. We'll figure it out here. No,
Speaker 1:yeah, that's a great idea. Figure it out.
Speaker 6:Come on, come on. Keep us on track.
Speaker 1:I can't give you a drag your fucking runaway. Train over.
Speaker 6:As I say to Joe every single week. 20 paths. What Games is supposed to start? Take control of your table.
Speaker 1:Alright. Gora was doing such a good job before he was rudely interrupted.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What's your address? Group One.
Speaker 6:One, two, two
Speaker 1:coop. You should be the one that's fucking excited.
Speaker 6:You're amazing. You're a swan. What do you think? Think it was great. I didn't think going into this that there was a chance that he would want it, but I don't know, it's kind of like I made a joke I think on the last episode or I don't even remember if we talked about it, but he was like, this is like the first you one in a while that like he's going in without an injury and it just kinda like, it's like amazing that like now you can like say that like the reason that he didn't like get that far in the last two was because of those injuries that you had all the nagging injuries. Like this time he was 100 percent and they just fucking took it. That's a good story too. Yeah, it was great. And like I think it also will talk about the match with ocado too, but it was kind of like in his favor and all worked out perfectly. That ocado was like vulnerable in the state and I think that's the reason that he got the win over him and made it to the finals.
Speaker 1:Well he didn't get the win over him.
Speaker 6:Well, I mean he got the, he, yeah, he didn't get the wind but he probably would have just flat out lost if I kinda wasn't fucking insane right now.
Speaker 1:So yeah. So obviously Tanahashi one and I think that is a really interesting point is that he, even when he faced Akata, he couldn't beat ocado. Like he still hasn't beat Okada in
Speaker 6:less, less time than the match that we talked about from a. What was it? It was before dominion, wherever. The one before that was a match that they had. There wasn't a king of pro wrestling wasn't things coming up. I think it was pretty much like decisively, like beat Tanahashi. So like this is. And that's kind of been the thing, like Tanahashi hasn't been able to beat o'connor in a while, just so go going into this like a normal healthy old cotton normal healthy aging Tanahashi like you would assume like cottage, just going to beat them again and their risk control. The thing that's always been like working for him against Tanahashi, like it didn't work this time and they kind of played into their gun match from two years ago where Tanahashi hit the high fly flow. Like this time I guess he kind of kicked out. Then they rang the bell last time they kind of rang the bell right as Ocado is about to kick out a two, but it was kind of a callback to like that, that match.
Speaker 5:It was one of the things that I really enjoy about new Japan is that even when they decide to rearrange the order as it were, they still do it with an, with an eye towards things making sense that the capabilities of Ocado or not all of a sudden gone or the skill of a ton of Haji is and all of a sudden lifted simply because he's the one designated to go over. They found a way to make it consistent with the storyline. They've been consistently telling what these guys will still giving ton of how she, the, the uh, victory.
Speaker 6:And I mean, these guys impressed. I was like, this is the 11th time that they've read and they just like somehow managed to like tell a slightly different story and progress like their longterm story every time. It's like amazing. I'm kind of kind of worried that ocado is going to get a shot that briefcase out of this and he never townhouse. She never actually beat him. I mean I'd rather just be j white and then townhouse. She Beats Jay White, but I'd be kind of scared that if anyone is going to lose the briefcase for the first time and not lose any face like with the fans it be because she can do anything wrong. I'm worried that he might lose the briefcase before.
Speaker 5:What's with the story there seem to be telling with Okada that even though he quote unquote lost against a ton of Haji, or at least last the block do to points. He seems to have at least shook, shaken off some of those demons to get back to its old form. Exactly. Men, when we saw him in the six men on the, on the final night, you know, he was back in the room with the rainmaker gear, you know, it's a small detail but it's still a noticeable one and they'll, even, his body language was different, you know, he wasn't coming out like he had been that kind of unhinged a little bit. Okada, he wouldn't ride out there and he stroked the brain maker pose. So it feels like he's
Speaker 6:back. Yeah, it's pretty genius is looking at the way that he was even booked through the tournament. Like he lost those first two matches and everyone was like, what the fuck is going on? And just like from there you kind of like went on a terror and like kinda how it, he got his groove back a little bit but it just wasn't enough against Tanahashi
Speaker 5:well you needed something like that because you know, yes, he lost against so mega. But he's still God damn Okada. He's still the most dominant champion in the history of this promotion. Broken, having broken all the records and if he was going to lose this guy, it was going to have to be because he was compromised in some way, you know, you can justify it with a, with an injury angle. But I kinda liked the way they did it with the whole. He's going slightly insane. He's lost his step and now he's getting it back.
Speaker 7:Yeah. I almost thought that that was a little too, like I think they put a little too fine point on it. But when all was said and done, I liked it because I remember when I was walking real sports, uh, win loss records get streaky, you know, and when you get under, you end up being, you know, you, it ends up getting, the more you lose, it's the harder and harder to win.
Speaker 1:You could get in a slump very easily.
Speaker 5:Losing.
Speaker 7:Yeah. So I felt like that they at first were like, man, you probably don't have to do this to do the same story that you're telling. But by the end I started to appreciate it.
Speaker 5:Well, that's the thing that I like about wrestling is that it allows for that kind of storytelling. Yeah, you can justify it in a real sports context, but to me it's more compelling to give an insight into the psychology and because of the psychology of wrestling is somewhat heightened. The drama is somewhat heightened when you're exploring the emotional themes, be a body slams and swelled dropping people on their goddamn head. I forget works.
Speaker 7:Yeah. I mean, I, I certainly don't have a problem with uncle Dave had a really interesting thing that he said last week. He said as he forgot to tell coop that he's been logging in as him and his wrestling observer for the last few weeks that he, uh, said that one thing that he found interesting and it's things like at the beginning of the tournament and, and, and you know, later on when ocado eventually ended up out of it was that kind of definitely on the honest promo, the whole basis of his, his wrestle kingdom promo was that he was coming back and headline in it next year and selling it out. So that might've just been trash talking hyperbole, but like you almost can't leave anything on the table with ghetto at this point. Like I like everything seems to mean something and it's to the point where you like are looking and waiting for it and in certain people like latch onto certain things even if it maybe doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no I definitely agree with that. And it's just looking at this. I mean it kind of taking it, looking at it in a vacuum outside of other[inaudible] like the way this one was booked, I, I just, I loved it now granted there was, there was some stuff that we didn't that we didn't like we talked about that in the last episode with stuff with the BCO G andj white, you know, and it didn't really, it pretty much continued throughout the tournament. So it did tend to get a bit old after awhile. But other than that, like I love these little storylines that the characters get heading into the[inaudible] that kind of take them through and, and it is like any narrative where there's a point a to point b, like look at World Kata was and look at Tanahashi and look atj white and you know, look at Ge and, and you know, like all these guys had a mate or hey man page, I don't know that everyone to you, like they had these great narratives that just went over the course of these 19 days and it's such a little microcosm, but it speaks volumes about how, how fucking amazing new Japan
Speaker 5:juices hand thread and every week until I get it, it's like an excuse for someone to like lose a few matches too, right? Oh sure. You look at the people that are at the bottom, you don't really,
Speaker 4:aside from like Tama Tonga, like shit like that. Like you don't like, you don't think negative of them because there is like in the back of your mind some excuse, like why they lost
Speaker 7:my two favorite things I think coming out of this was how they managed to so smartly book Zack Sabre in the sense where like he took a bunch of losses but he who he beat, he's in the same like I think is I think a stock is exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Thing was crazy. MEDSEC too. Is that like he was eliminated like a week or so ago, a while ago. But he ended up tied for first with NATO Okada. Like he ended up with four points. Like he, he, he was mega, yeah, he was eliminated like a while ago, but he still ended up with the 12 points because he just like went on a terror after he lost that match. That eliminated them.
Speaker 5:Yeah. I mean he really didn't lose a whole hell of a lot, so just lost the important ones. That's a good way to establish him of where they necessarily want him. I mean, they have them pretty well positioned now to, uh, go after juice in the US title, which isn't, which is I think is a good spot for him. I feel kind of bad for Jews because I don't know, I don't know how that one's going to go and he's so young into his run on this that I, I, I, I'm just juicing them or I want to see you succeed.
Speaker 7:You know, I was really confident that they were going to use this to have him run through all the people that beat him. Right. And like, like make him stronger than before. Because what's attractive about juice? His juicy juice, yes. I feel like is best in that, like in like that dusty Rhodes role of chasing the title more so than having the title. So I think like this, if they had booked it in that way and maybe they still are, they had him have the title, but he's still gonna look like an underdog going into all those matches. But then the challenge that happened, uh, in the tag match this night made me wonder if they were just going to nip it in the bud.
Speaker 5:Oh No. It's hard to say. I mean, the fact that cody, he positioned himself, you know, at the top of the top of the line, just out of nowhere. That's a, that's a weird one. I mean, it may be entirely possible that they're setting up a threeway, which, you know, if they're going to be doing it in Long Beach, right. Um, it's a potential. I'd rather not see that, but weirdest three weeks
Speaker 4:could ever imagine cody and Zack Saber Jr. Like, I can't even fathom what the fuck that match with look like.
Speaker 5:WeLl, you have a shit. He'll a sadist and a and a genuinely nice guy. So the dynamics are really weird. It's funny you say that.
Speaker 7:A prince va me zack,
Speaker 4:a lot of leg locks and liberal arts and that was the coolest thing with a zach was that they set
Speaker 3:up the, the zach drIver like the very first night, second night, somewhere on the, on the undercard, on the undercard everyone. And um, and then it didn't play into anything at all until all of a sudden he got the shock victory overnight. So which was just like, that's a, that's a pretty amazing way to cap that thing off because not everything has to be on like a steady curve or a three x structure or whatever the fuck when you tell them the story of a, of a particular wrestler and a tournament that's enough. And the fact that he had this amazing new Japan cup run and the fact that he ended up tying, getting some really quality wins along the way throughout the tournament and cleaning, beating a couple champions to set himself up with some title shots later. Like they're doing like really, really good things with them. Like that's like really interesting.
Speaker 6:That's kinda like what my point was earlier. We're like going into the tournament knowing that he just wanted the new Japan cup and then he just signed that contract. Like I always positive he was going to like beat omega and get that title shot. And that'll be like proof that new Japan is pushing him. But like we got halfway through the title, he's eliminated, he lost to omega and I was like, oh man, like I was wrong. I guess they're not really like he's just going to end like middle of the road or Whatever. And then like after he won that match I was like, oh he just like knocked out night though, who like a lot of people thought was going to win the entire g one and he like successfully like debuted this new move and now he's tied with night that will make it into booshy like push, like he comes out of this tournament looking like way better than he did going in. Even after winning the, the new Japan and Japan and beating okada like in rev pro also.
Speaker 7:And I also like I feel like like booking wise, like it's very, very well known that like a lot of people give credit for knowing obviously japanese wrestling and old american wrestling. But I've Heard a lot of people say that like he just kinda understand sports and that's why he kinda flummoxes a lot of like wrestling fans and his booking. But like, I feel like with that zack sabre thing, like that dude could, could write a fucking bestselling novel now because the, you know, you talk about writing and the traditional like of chekhov's gun and stuff like that. You would have thought that sabre and that in wrestling uses that more than anything be anyone think because any other kinds of art. Because normally if somebody has a new move they're going to beat them on the ra, the use it on the raw, the paper before. But I had fucking forgot about that thing until he hoisted him up for it. When he lifted him up it was like, you knew like fuck, like he hasn't used this is fucking it. Like it just felt like it. Like I, you know, like I really like, it really fucking blew me over the next level. Shit.
Speaker 6:Yeah. That was one of those masters where I was on my feet like half the time. And like I up, like when he
Speaker 4:got him up for that, uh, zach triburg as he calls it, I fucking love that match so much. It's not like, it's definitely not like up there top five in terms of star ratings or anything, but it is like one of my favorite matches from this tournament that I'll always remember is just so fucking like and just like zach's like emotion too. Like he was going to be like create like the way that he overreacted. He was pissed. Like whenever he would like lose matches, he was just like ecstatic over the moon, like screaming and hugging taco. LIke once he did it because his goal was to just like fuck overnight though, win this match.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1:I thought that was definitely one of my favorite matches of the entire, the entire tournament. And I, I, you know, I know, I know that we could probably start a little argument here because I know goro isn't the biggest zack saber jr fan, but he came off as one of the, one of the all stars for me because he looked at andy and coming into the tournament, you know, coming into this year, I thought he was one of the greatest wrestlers in the world as it is. But now he's also becoming one of the smoothest wrestlers I've ever seen. Like the way he transitions into, into his, into his holt is unbelievable in the reversals. Like he comes up with something new. Every mAtch it seems. It's
Speaker 4:I'm days. What is it? That movie did against juice? Something? Yeah, that move is fucking disgusting. And the way you sold that to. It's like so good.
Speaker 2:Like, like, like almost torn in half if he could blow themselves
Speaker 4:just like the way he was like shaking his head. No, no, no, no. I was just like, oh, this is a Perfect way to finish, but they're not going to finish it. And like eventually he was just like, yeah, I can't get out of this and I will readily admit it. Zach put on a great tournament on this one. I mean, again, I've, I've never disputed his actual skills. It's just how so many of his matches come together that I find myself unsatisfied, but I have no complaints about the majority of his matches. Why do you think it's nothing about hating vegans? It's y'all who hate hate. Let me, let me ask you, because you're not a vegan.
Speaker 2:I'm not. Fuck. He did just have a seven layer burrito. The echo again to you.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Which I want to talk about nato, the to his tournament, but like booking wise story wise, like it was pretty interesting for nighttime, especially with all the hype going in that lot of people thought he was going to be winning it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Do you think they're saving him? Like, do you think it was just like, uh, like uh, they did enough to not maybe piss off but I feel like he's, he's heading towards jericho.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Well I guess like overall, like longterm bucking because this kind of like
Speaker 6:um, it's not on as grand of a scale but it's kind of is like night tokata from wrestle kingdom, like part two where like a lot, a lot of people online I've seen are like really upset about this fence and this, this isn't, this isn't an original thought. Like this is something that I read and I kind of agree with that too. And I see it. It seems like there they are still the way that he did the running destino hits Zebra saber jr and instead of going for the pin, he picked them up and looked at the crowd and tried to go for a second one and that's how he got screwed and lost and a lot of people are comparing that to the way that he lost the whole story behind the match with ocado where he had the match one and then start playing up to the crowd and that's what did it. So it seems like the thing that they're going to is that like nighttime was never going to win the big match and get to the big spot while he's in this. Like I don't give a fuck. And gilbert novelized kinda thing. So when people are saying that, did my transition out of that and once he acknowledges that he does care about the fans and he wants to be accepted by the crowd, like that's when he's going to actually win the title and get his thoughts.
Speaker 5:That's the thing. Said this way. I thought that sonata was going to have his number in their match. Is that what the big failures of nih towe have been when he's allowed himself to lose his cool. When he goes for that extra sean's, when he goes for those things and against somebody like sonata who have been in the past is the true embodiment of frankie low and really seems to embody the times, the kind of attitude and I told has when he's at his most successful, the fact that he was able to beat sonata onto that. It's, it was interesting to me
Speaker 7:if they do this right and I hadn't thought of this till right now. So it's a really interesting point and they turn him into a traditional babyface. Like, I mean he had the best of both worlds right now. Like he's been getting booed almost as much like you get your kid, but he's good enough that he can turn some crowds on him by doing stuff that, you know, either regionally or university.
Speaker 6:He knows what to do, where to do it.
Speaker 7:If he fucking turns into like a full out baby face, like the. I mean, true traditional wrestling trajectory is, you know, you turn, if you look at the best ones, piper may be being the best example of this savage, like the best time to turn a a heel babyface is what he's white hot and like he's been white hot for so long and then you're going to have the added thing, and I love this a boston red sox comparison that Kevin Kelly used, like, you know, if he finally does get the big one in conjunction with that, he'll be, he'll, he'll blow everybody else away as far as its popularity.
Speaker 6:Dude. Upm progress.
Speaker 7:I don't think so. You won't marry a professional tennis player. But yeah. Can we talk for a second about the best story and this whole go for it. The most subtle push in my opinion, in the history of wrestling. No, no, no, no, no. I have the, I do have a yanno confessional. Uh, how can you have a losing record and get maybe the biggest push in the history of the company, be all the champions and have those be the only wins that you get. Like, that's fucking amaZing.
Speaker 8:He went, so he went with three and six or I'm sorry, a three m yeah, that's right. Three and six. And his three winds were against the champs,
Speaker 7:which was shocking to me.
Speaker 5:Yeah. Yeah. You ended with five points. 10 points.
Speaker 7:Uh huh.
Speaker 5:Goto omega juice sonata and jano and beat sonata.
Speaker 7:Right. you know, and I think this tournament showed a lot of my, a lot like I, like I don't think sonata was on all the time in this tournament and it's amazing because even through that he still had a bunch of style matches in my opinion, but sometimes it just seemed like he wasn't putting it together and I can't explain it, but I think as far as you know, so I mean, but at the same time to kind of like a pep up jesse's point, I guess he was a wealthiest point even though it math wasn't 100 percent right. Like the sonata obviously is a pretty, like those two I think are on pretty equal ground, at least right now. Uh, with maybe the edge going to sonata because he's in a, like a, a red, a red hot faction, um, but in yanno beating it was beating ya know, even even when he has a really fun tournament like this one. But like that's important. Like, I mean, I think he would have, I think if the intercontinental title wasn't being used as a prop right now and it was on somebody for real, like I think they would have had them beat them to it if it could maybe last, ya know, or sonata. But I think that that's like amaZing. Like he can challenge for any title he wants now. And went right for the world title. Everybody was fucking elated. The internet was fucking elated. I don't think nobody thinks he's going to win. But the fact that he's finally in that spot that everybody thinks he is.
Speaker 5:What if, what if he wins the world title and then ocado winston briefcase from tanahashi and we finally get that. Uh, she gotta match kingdom. Yeah, that's the thing though. I don't necessarily see. Then it's a, I forget which, which, uh, youtube will former, the youtube channel polled did the video essay about esg, but describe buckle, right? Yeah. I think it was either shoboko real knee perot, perot a purell. The role for esg is as the viable challenger to the, so the guy that they can slot in and pretty much any place. He's not necessarily the guy who wins belts, but he's the guy that always puts on a can always be a realistic challenger to the belts. He's the gatekeeper exactly as they called him when we were talking to him and when we were talking about zack saber jr. If they don't pull the trigger and put the us title on him, I can realistically see him, uh, being in that similar role much as fall a was before they're doing whatever the fuck they're doing with followed these days. But somebody who can be a gatekeeper or at least provide a realistic challenge to the champion just as he did against sohcahtoa in his match.
Speaker 9:It's all, some next level shit. Like you just can't talk about most wrestling like this, right? That it could be this and it could be that like it, unless, unless in context of their booking is so asinine that like, you know,
Speaker 5:well it's where it becomes so obvious where you have people that are in their spots and they don't go up, they don't go down and they say 50 slash 50 new Japan seems to have, you know, people that are in certain roles but they just do it better.
Speaker 9:Yeah, I mean I, I think that to that point I'll go. I think that if sonata, for instance, be anyone on that upper echelon, I don't think anybody would be shocked to the point of like that they felt like somebody jumped a bunch of spots and I think that's the key in it. You know,
Speaker 5:I mean hell, even when it was finally sort of watching the undercard matches and I was seeing people that weren't part of the tournament. Pop back. yeah. There you go. Well, on the final day I've watched the undercard, so I watched all of the final of g one and it just reminded me of, you know, it was like, wow, I miss these guys. You know, it's good to see them And it kind of brought up the thought that you can pretty much move a lot of these guys around, up in town, put them in different spots and while they may not necessarily be the guy to hold the belt, they at least can be called upon to deliver a pretty god damn good match unless they're yoshi, yoshi,[inaudible] fuck that guy. And with the exception, so the,
Speaker 8:the field of 20 with, with like only a couple of exceptions. I could see any of these guys being iwg p, heavyweight champ, you know, and, and I think that's just a testament to new Japan strong booking and you know, like I don't see tama Tonga ever winning it, you know, I don't see jano ever winning it, but almost anyone else in in b block I could see winning. I for sure and looking at a book, obviously we have some more kind of green guys like a, like page and jay white. But, but even still like I could see almost any of these guys winning, you know, aside from yoshi hayashi and hangman page, probably winning the heavyweight title.
Speaker 9:But now here's an interesting question for you. Uh, and this was something that got brought up on a, I think it was superj cast and I'm kind of embellishing it a little bit. This question was very easy when we found out about the brackets and we're in the chat and when we even started the lake when we did the first show, right? Think about who wasn't in this tournament and probably could have been in this tournament and take out who tai-chi will tie to you.
Speaker 4:She should have been. Beretta was hurt
Speaker 9:at the beginning I guess.
Speaker 4:Yeah. So readily agree. Swap out yoshi. Super touchy. But I don't know who I'd want to swap out in the tournament for a beretta. Well, I mean it wouldn't make sense of the storylines and shit but like tatango and they can both suck.
Speaker 9:But I mean like, like as far as like kind of the pecking order and how like, you know, keeping things like maintain, like there were some other people that could have been in this that, that weren't. And um, I mean doubtful, but maybe cody is hanging around more so maybe he would want to be in it next year, which I will give him. I liked him in real life, so I'll give them the opportunity to change my mind, but I wouldn't be very excited about that at face value. But like everything is pretty locked up now, which I didn't know is evil. Right? Oh, sorry. Which I didn't think it waS at the beginning of the year. Like I wouldn't be surprised there's a couple of junior heavyweights that I could see moving up this year. Um, you know, like, well maybe off spray maybe because she didn't. Those are the ones that we've talked about. But like, uh, I have this weird feeling with like everything that would be going on if he gets a bit of a reinvention. Uh, maybe a desperado like, you know, there's just a lot of possibilities of how the field could be different in the same. Um, I mean if they, I don't know if they are, if that was just a one off, if they brought them in again to just have them fight for the never open weight title. But uh, uh, oh, his name's escaping me and I really liked him. The uh, um, the tour of the islands guy. I'm Jeff Cobb, you know, so there, there's some stuff that, you know, but I would have switched out a ton of people at the start of this tournament and with the exception of the tongans, which I, uh, which I understand why they were there even though I didn't like if a story reason, like I don't think that there's really anybody I would have switched out in this one, especially since what happened on the last night. I guess we can talk about where not only did tied chee a pin, yoshi has, he beat the shit out of him a little bit. Like it's kind of like showing that like he didn't deserve that spot. And like now, like now above and beyond the tournament, like yoshi, how she can't go back to business as usual. It will be middling. Like he's gonna have to earn his keep now he's going to have to earn a spot. So
Speaker 6:yeah, but like at the same time, if you just look at the gum line ups like year after year, like they don't really just like, it sounds like you get relegated out or whatever the soccer tournament is like, it's, it's kinda like you're just in it. And like once you establish that you're a member, like you're always in it until you leave the company. Or like you get to be like Nevada where like you're, you have one funnel show like kind of thing. Like michael bay is always going to be in there. Like kadima might be back problem to have. It's like a hockey team having like two amazing goaltender for. Are you going to put. I mean it's, it's not as easy as like, well you'll see how she stinks. Let's take him out. Like yoshi haas. You'll probably be in it again next year and there'll be people that deserve to be in it, that have never been in it, that aren't going to be in it because yoshi hockey's. I have no idea. It makes me wonder though if you want to maintain that look, it makes me wonder though if you want to maintain that legacy then you take the people from the various blocks with the highest points and then put them as a law for next year and then the people that didn't reach a certain threshold then we got like six points that they'd have to fight for their spot. I agree, but that's just not really sure. Like it's. So it's like once you're in the guy and you're made, you're in the gun. sure.
Speaker 9:One thing that they're really, I think new Japan might could be criticized for being bad at. Especially with like an american expansion where people don't know, like don't take as much stuff for granted I guess. Like they don't do a very good job of monetizing the divisions and stuff like that. Like, you know, especially like the dumbest one in the easiest one is they have a bunch of useless six minute matches that are useless. Six men matches. Like you could easily say that they're, you know, they're and then never opened, weighed six men division, you know, like just make him seem some sort of implication that they mean something. Uh, you know, and you know, there's not a lot of singles matches though. There seems to be more lately. Um, you know, one or two every couple of shows anyway that are at the main event or a title match. But uh, you know, like make it just kind of for, it's something you could have like a, just an arbitrary cut sheet of fight somebody on a show and have it be, you know, a open way like a or a junior, you know, like, uh, to, to, to get up, you know, because I'm not really, I don't want it to go away, but I'm not as invested in the traditional. Somebody coming out and saying that I'm going to be the champion. I want to fight for the title thing. Like it just like
Speaker 6:I agree, but at the same time like I the biggest, I enjoyed this guy, like from the thing that I love about the gun and what I watched him, the g is like night after night match after match like amazing matches and like last year it was like the height of that. Like I didn't, I wanted to go and like compare the amount of four plus star matches I had last year compared to this. So I feel like it was like double last year. You seem like every other night like I was like holy shit, like half of this card is amazing and this year it was, it was way more top heavy. Like I had a lot of like to start a three star things and then a decent amount of like four and a half enough. So it was very top heavy. But I think the reason for that is because of how like fucking storyline heavy it was. And I kinda didn't like that. If you had jay white low blow and everyone like behind the rest back he had the tongans like fucking everything up. And not caring, you had like, fuck, I'm like, howard had Harold May becoming like an onscreen like gm character, which I really hope that they don't pursue because that's really fucking stupid. They don't to it yet. But he's out there making decisions and like stipulations. There was just one show during the tournament though. I know, but. But it seems like it. I dunno, I just don't. Yeah, like I don't want him to be like an onscreen authority character. Like they don't need that. No one's doing that shit. And yeah, they don't need, I don't know. I hope j white matures from this and doesn't like keep doing this. I hope this was just a onetime time thing. I just, I really like all this. Like for as much as we talked about, we enjoyed like juices hands and like that little, like many storylines per character like that. Like I didn't like the big overall arching story lines that like they told, which were very, very western wrestling influenced.
Speaker 5:I will say though, I called it, they were setting up the tongans to when the, uh, number six, the three men, it was a really fucking elaborate set up to matches every other night on that shit. I know. I don't know why that was the route they took and it was even straight so that a folly wasn't involved in that. But, you know, I guess the god issue maury there. So
Speaker 6:I always hold my love of my love, of kind of how she like overpowers anything I don't like about this guy. But like one of my biggest takeaways is like how much I did not like the riff bumps and shenanigans all keep that stuff out of the gun.
Speaker 5:I said it before and uh, I, I guess I can elaborate on it now. This tournament featured the first new Japan match that I've ever watched and graded. Not graded. I haven't been grading that very long, but it is the first one that delivered a one star match for me because it was the perfect confluence of the things that I hated about the[inaudible] yoshi. She's performance and a tongan fuckery. The match against bad luck. Folly. I gave that a one star. I need you. I need you to go onto new Japan world gorrow and in the search bar type in luke allen's[inaudible] am. I said, well, I didn't want to get something. you'll get someone started matches out of that for sure because. But jesus christ, I mean at one point a yoshi haas, you've delivered something that the. They called as a super kick, but it basically looked like what would happen when a three year old would try to flail out with his leg and it's like,
Speaker 3:jesus, god, what? You're, you're supposed to be professional wrestler. Come here. And his eyes couldn't see what he's doing. Jake, are you there? Jake? So
Speaker 2:what, what did you, what did you think about the, all the shenanigans in storylines and everything going on. I'm pretty much like there's a reason why I wasn't talking because I'm just kind of nodding
Speaker 3:my head along with everything. It's not like a pressing concern, but it is like an overall worry. When a new guy comes into town, the president and within like a month span, we're doing this silly stuff with the tongans where he's out there front and center, you know, being the one shooing them off and like it and it's all like, like that's one of the things about it is that the tongans interfered with everybody, like they did have like kind of specified targets, but they are fucked up every match that they are involved in. So ostensibly they're pissing off everybody, but there's no real like kind of inclination that it's really going anywhere. Even this whole thing about don't interfere. I'll see her, you know, suspended until november or whatever. Like it seemed like that's what was happening on the second night of the buddha con. But then they're just back the next night. Shuffled. Yeah, getting title shot. What's is that they're not doing anything that gallows and those guys didn't do really at the end of the day. But there's no fucking chance that these guys are going to get over and get baby face like, so it just doesn't. I, I agree with you. I just don't see the end game. Yeah, I mean that's, that, that's kind of a thing, like it's not the first time new japan's done this stuff, you know, the debit club shit, it was just rife with interference and whatnot, but it's more just the inclusion of a hairy maize or however you want to refer to them getting involved in it. It's just like, it's, it's, it's, you're getting whiffs you're getting very, very bad whiffs of something that might be coming down the line, you know, like we're getting j dot[inaudible] doing the same thing every night, which didn't really add anything. It just mAde him more tiresome. And you're getting the same thing both nights, sometimes more than once in one night depending on the storyline with these guys. And then you've got, you know, chris jericho basically hijacking the intercontinental title, you know, it's all like very uneasy to watch unfold. Um,
Speaker 2:yeah, I agree. I agree. cat robots do a looking at me, sorry already to sound the alarms or anything like that. It is like,
Speaker 3:it is concerning and it's not something that I'm particularly like stoked about, more like scared than anything else. Now I don't like to feel scared watching a fucking promotion. Yeah.
Speaker 6:And even like, even though she felt like people are into with like tama Tonga doing all the controversial shit on twitter and everything and then like, but then he goes out there and he's like choking a fan and like literary and stuff. And you wonder how much of that stuff.
Speaker 3:Even just like, yeah,
Speaker 6:I didn't see him turn around where he was standing outside, like the tokyo dome, like littering a bunch. I got a lot of people, a lot of people got like a really, really, really upset. Well I think, I think, I think in Japan and that, that
Speaker 3:certain area, it's like a huge, like crime to litter. What we should've done. This should've done a montage of, well they should've done a montage of him on a, uh, on a train talking state that uconn does not like littering. Don't like balloons. Balloons. Yeah. We're taka overall, like with the tournament. It's funny like in terms of like, hi, hi, like tippity top level matches. I didn't feel like it was that different than last year in terms of a sum total of like spectacular matches. It did, it was missing a great sort of mid ground in the, a block b block, still had it. But a group, a blog was like, I don't know, maybe had like two, maybe three great matches. Maybe even that's generous. Um, so it's hard to walk away from the whole experience. Like being like, oh, that was a sheet tournament or oh, that was a poor tournament because the end of the day, like there's a lot that I'll look back on a lot that I enjoy it. But the thing is is that it's almost everything was self inflicted so to speak. Maybe the makeup of the blocks, you know, it's hard to tell. Like I'm sure if we like, you know, pulled out a big conspiracy board and started connecting lines and shit. We probably understand like maybe that's why b block stack because they're protecting guys and protecting matchups and setting up things down the line. And that's just how it shook out this year compared to last year and they didn't want stale matches, steel block, some blah blah blah. But all the other things, like it wasn't like somebody just came out and laid in a because they got injured or anything else. It's just everything that people didn't like about it. They willingly brought upon themselves and like you look at how the tongans, how the firing squad fared from night one tonight. 16 and how they got no response 95 percent of the time. I mean that's, you fucked up like. And I don't think it was a, you know, not, not to try to sound like I am, not to use too
Speaker 7:much like iconography, but like I don't think that it was like a vocabulary rather that it was like good heat. You know? I think when people were upset, I think they were really fucking felt like they hated that stuff both nights. They wanted them fucking god. I don't know. It's only gonna get worse if they stay the course. I have a question in a, in a thought, eh, do you think that. And I'm not making fun, but I felt that the a block had a little too much american indie influence in it where, you know, in, in b block it was really only like jews who wasn't like a, you know, who, who didn't, wasn't like a very new Japan type or modern new Japan type guy. But is it possible that it as far as protecting went that a tiny couldn't, couldn't do all those be blocked matches over the course of, you know what I mean, couldn't do, you know, kenny omega and egg and he's block. He's always been in. But I mean you could have built it around them any way that you wanted to, you know. But like how many times could he honestly, and he's not 100 years old, he's not ric flair or anything, but like how many times could he get kneed in the face dropped on his head, you know,
Speaker 8:the guys do it. I think it's just the fact that that's the best way for him to come out as a winter was to be in this block. You know, whatever.
Speaker 6:Those were all easy matches that he had, except for the last one. I think you're selling tanahashi a little bit short, tall,
Speaker 7:sweet.
Speaker 6:I think you can still have an like an amazing match with like we saw like a bougie even though that was a dangerous one, but he could have a safe measure where the bougie safe masters eeg a safe match with omega and they're all amazing like that ocado match like you watch that match and it's amazing and it's a masterpiece Just to like all 10 are there other matches are. But like you're never like, aside from tanahashi jumping off the top rope to the outside, which you've seen them do it a million times, so you know, help you. Okay. Like you're never worried about either guy like, you know, like you're in good hands watChing that where it's going to be an amazing match, but it's going to be a safe match when it's surrounded by dudes getting dropped on their head and kicked in the face. Like, you know, but it'll be okay. He had matches with tanahashi, ended up and um, er with a bougie. And I too, last year they weren't particularly dangerous, but there still pretty amazing. Yeah, he can do that.
Speaker 8:Yeah, no, I totally agree. In and jake, you actually brought up a good point. I just looked so out of, out of all the matches that I thought were four stars or higher than that. I put on my list from the[inaudible] there's 22 of them, which is pretty fucking good. Like that's a pretty high amount and only three of them were from block, which is crazy. I had no idea the disparity was that large until you mentioned it.
Speaker 7:I. Yeah. Well I mean you gotta think and to have those tools will be included.
Speaker 8:Okada. And the other one includes tanashi.
Speaker 7:I mean you gotta think two
Speaker 8:matches on every fucking show except for one had bad luck filing and yoshi fuck it. Throw those down. The drain right there. I love memorial suzuki, but he can't have a four star match with everyone. Just know, you know, like, you know. So I think that that. And also
Speaker 4:we kind of talked about that last time when you watch us as you can match like every, everything that he does like is good and everything matters. And like if there's a clear story going on, but like come to like the end of it when you want that, like epic, like new Japan, like finishing stretch. Like he just doesn't do that. Like he hits a finisher and winds or pit and get your finished on him, you're going to win. That's just kinda the way that suzuki matches go.
Speaker 7:I mean, uh, it, it, it's, it's a great thing though that his name and his persona is still like translate to that because there is an argument to be made if you walk into a room and see that guy, especially if he's his back turned to you, slapping a bad luck family. Like, like he's his dad. Like just ripping him around the back and hitting and unsafely in the face with a chair and everything else. Like you're going to think it's going to look phony. But if you know, if you know who that is, I felt like even as much of a bad ass and as much as they protect him, generally, I felt like, like bad luck was lucky to get out of there with his fucking life.
Speaker 4:I love that. Well that was the tournament just because page like fucking like jumped up from the bell and like took a test to zucchini.
Speaker 7:It was my favorite end of the tournament, my favorite, uh, until, until the zack sabre thing. Like I was like, when that, when he lifted him up, reverse them and lifted them up, I was like, oh fuck, you know,
Speaker 4:I had 16 think it's strange that despite the fact that sabre was in a match with suzuki, you know, the de facto leader of his faction, that they still did the whole zack sabre time speech. It's over it. I think it was just trying to put it over I guess, but it just felt weird to me. It's become the rainmaker pose. It's become tanashi air guitar became, it's become night to doing the bounce off the ropes thing. Like, you know, like once something gets so popular you have to do it for every crowd. Separate crowd feels like they got what they wanted to see, you know,
Speaker 7:the best part is when he went outside and said,
Speaker 4:I don't think he was, he kept dropping. Was spanish
Speaker 8:the. That actually brings up this. I may forget if we don't mind if I mention right now, but when I'm in the zack sabre nitel match, when nato did his pose and then zack sabre ran at him and put a fucking arm bar.
Speaker 4:He did that.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I fucking love that. That was one of
Speaker 1:my favorite things. The entire tournament.
Speaker 4:I was just so good. I think that was my second favorite interrupt. The tricky low post. My first favorite winter wind. Nato tried that shit again. So sonata and so now to just immediately dropped, kicked him.
Speaker 1:Oh right, right. Yeah.
Speaker 4:It's like you can't do that again. So you man jr and sonata was strange. I thought about that. Like sonata just automatically, just like busting out all this like technical. Not, not that he doesn't know how to do that. That he can. That he can like outwit zack saber jr and gets, I mean, I know exactly. He was frustrated. That was the story of it. But it was just like, oh, it kind of took me aback like watching him, like man handles exeter junior. And that was, I think that was kind of the argument. That's whenever a saber stuart's office match, you know, he's, he will start off with more simplistic a grapple moves and then gradually ramp them up as they go along. And sonata had a counter for those. And the reason that sabre wasn't able to kind of ramp it up is one of the things that they were establishing throughout the tournament is he was showing a lot more frustration, a lot more of the screening and everything. So that was not as game plan to put it, to knock him off his, uh, his balance and prevent them from focusing on what he needed to do to actually beat them.
Speaker 1:I actually really enjoyed that match and I think it just shows it's a glimpse into sonata and how fucking talented he is. Like he, he is one of the most talented wrestlers on the roster I think. And you know, he can, he can, he can fly, he can, he can hang on the mat. He, you know, he can, he can draw, he can do pretty much all of it, all this stuff. And I think that was just a, hey this is, this is how fucking good this guy can be.
Speaker 3:Overall. I like last year I was disappointed in sonata because I was kind of ready for last year to be his breakout year, but even a, a shitty mask and switch to like a white shirt and got rid of the suite skull mask and everything and, and, and you know, all that shit aside. It just wasn't a particularly memorable tournament. But in this one, like he was the fifth guy but he was only two points behind the four guys tied for first. So it was still a major step up for him and I think he acquitted himself really, really well. You didn't have like, you know, blow away like, you know, super memorable matches. But he had great matches with eeg and with a bushy and was zack saber jr. Those were the ones that really, really stood out and he looked like, like you watch those matches and you're like okay, this guy can main event. he can be a regular main inventor in the future. Maybe you will, maybe you won't, but like this more than any other tournament. This more than any other time solidify that he could do that.
Speaker 4:He didn't end with the same points and the same scalps or winds or whatever. But I think last year like the, he had like the match with evil. I thought it was fucking amazing. The one that they had last year I think I was like. And then the other one against ocado which ended up losing. But that was still like a good match. I think all of his high level matches this year. We're much better than last year.
Speaker 7:Definitely. So to make two quick points here, if you're, if you haven't, I don't know why you'd be listening to this or not, but if you're thinking about jumping into this tournament and not in, it might be getting turned off by some of the negative things that we're saying. I have 16 fourstar matches in this tournament. I went through, I went through, I've gone through a chunk of, I have 10 over four star matches, like, like in between four and five stars. So the kind that correlates and I went to, I went through a fucking chunk of and I only got one of those. I went through a chunk of nxt and a chunk of pwg from last year this year. And I don't know that you'll get 16 four star for the year, for the year for matches. And this is like forced our matches. And um, I think I'm a little pickier in some, don't fucking say the, the yoga hosers coop, but think I'm a little pickier than a lot. Maybe not in this room or on this call. But then a lot of people I know about throwing out four star fivestars and like,
Speaker 4:I think you're definitely pickier than me. I mean, I think we've established. I tend towards the high end on my rating.
Speaker 7:Yeah. Yeah. Which is fine. I mean like things, things resonate with people like a, like a different way. It's only from. I was doing it different at the beginning here. It's only from cu making fun of me that I changed the star ratings. He peer pressured me. But um, well I guess not for movies though.
Speaker 4:I will say I did pick up a, a useful piece of advice from a uncle dave of all people when it comes time at least for rating a five star match that if you're thinking about it and you have to wonder is it a five star match? It's not. Yeah. That's why I, I've a lot of four and three quarters in my history that he's just like, I love a match, but it's just like I'm, I'm thinking about it too much. So it's probably not five stars. Yeah.
Speaker 8:Well, that's kind of where I was for the final because I, I immediately didn't say that's five stars. I loved it, but you know, and that's why I hadn't decided what the final was yet.
Speaker 4:All right. When, right when, right when the bell rang and townhouse, she put his arm up. I took five of those, a gold star stickers at girl sent me and put them on my phone so you could fit five, stack them on top of each other.
Speaker 7:That's why the coops cock is white belts to change the scale. He was able to fit eight. I actually now I would like to, I'm going to try to go back at some point and figure out what last year looked like, but I only had three five star matches this year and I felt like I had a shit ton last year so far this year. Um, you know, but
Speaker 10:there are some
Speaker 6:at three for the g one, three, one, three, two, one. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 10:But I mean, I don't, I can't, I mean, I have, I mean, uh, I mean obviously there's the ocado mega match and I don't remember what I rated it, but I really love the storytelling and the young bucks golden lovers matched. So that might've been five or cLose for me, but, um, I can't remember off the top of my head any five star matches, uh, other than that okada mega one. they had to be one night. Everybody fucking is
Speaker 6:snappy. Maureen takahashi,
Speaker 8:I remember who the superintendent was. Yours. Oh, I haven't watched it yet.
Speaker 6:Oh yeah.
Speaker 8:Um, I didn't go five on that, but that was very good.
Speaker 10:Yeah, a lot of people wouldn't. Five. Yup. Um, I mean not for nothing and I, I'm glad I watched it and I loved it, but I bet you that I didn't. I'm sure I didn't have anywhere close to 16 fourstar matches throughout the whole champions carnival.
Speaker 8:Oh no, I only got a handful. I think so. And I, I didn't watch all the matches, but you know, the ones we did watch
Speaker 10:and I remember the final, I only gave four and a four and a half or four and a quarter. And that's great match. There's nothing wrong with that, you know, and it's just, it's just what resonates with people there. My brother thinks that these uh, uh, nxt main events that johnny gargano and a champion has been having is like the greatest pro wrestling matches of all time and they're great. But
Speaker 8:yeah, to people who don't watch new Japan, I could see that, right? Yeah.
Speaker 6:It ain't shit that type of the day and opinions. But I feel like with the next, every junior night don't match. Like I probably should just get that five stars because how much I fucking love it. But like it was a four and a half star match to me, which is still amazing. Like I love that match but I don't know, it's just, it's just about like how you want to value, like what you think is what rating and all that is. This yoga hosers is not three stars.
Speaker 10:It is three styles.
Speaker 6:Would you recommend, would you go? Would you recommend that movie to anyone? I did. All right. I guess there's three stars.
Speaker 10:They did it on their show and probably liked it more than that. I did christ. Listen, this is where the guy who fucking gave me a hard time because a, they're fucking dumb. Heavy meTal flasher, but we added say it was a double plus. A alright. Rocktober blood. Yeah. Rocktober blood.
Speaker 6:Good. Your night though of our mood.
Speaker 8:No. You know what they're going to do. Want to talk about? Let's, let's, let's talK about the finals. Rocktober blood. No, no door. I'm sure we'll get into some other storylines and stuff as we continue to go on, but I'd love to talk about the block a, a final on the block be final and because I think there's a. It's pretty dense. There's a lot to discuss there, but so in the block, a final, obviously we had a hiroshi tanahashi versus[inaudible] okada.
Speaker 6:Yeah. And well I guess just mirroring,
Speaker 11:mirroring both a block finals, like going into those nights, there were both times. There were three guys alive and it was in both times. It was the matched right before the final where one of them was knocked out and kind of just went to the final. So is it evil evil bj? Jay white knocked him out and so then it was down to a tanahashi. That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 6:And then zack saber jr beat night though. Then it was just down to omega versa. Booshy
Speaker 7:didn't you will be white. Clean
Speaker 6:a jail. I mean jim, I was like trying to do some shenanigans and evil and they're beating them.
Speaker 7:Yeah. Well I feel like that's a wasted like because I feel like as it was building up like and again, like you know, you can't base things just on your expectations but if anybody was going to give you a taste of his own medicine, like I felt like it would been evil but I was just surprised at how that ended and maybe that makes it better. But I just thought that he was going to lose in the same way he'd been winning. You know, like,
Speaker 6:I mean he'd probably still do the thing where I put the chair in his head and hit it with another chair. Yeah. That's about like, that's all. Pretty much the farthest that evil honestly goes. He'll do braWling stuff and he'll take advantage of the fact that you're outside and neutral panel. Let you do anything out there.
Speaker 7:Tag champ. Like some of those back, you know, trust me, wolfie will tell you who's intimately familiar with my wrestling style. Like I pay very close attention to low blow up.
Speaker 8:I think I'm still sore down there. That's not my, you need mars used to hit every one of them are nuts.
Speaker 7:My only. It was my only.
Speaker 8:Yeah, that's a move. Yeah. So, so in that match, obviously. I mean I thought for sure, I mean when looking at it, I think we, I think a lot of us thought it was going to come down to a bougie and ocado. right? Or, or did coop. Did you say tanahashi?
Speaker 6:Uh, I always, like I said that and I think I predicted that, but it was, I think I also put an asterisk on it. We're like, that's what I wanted to happen. So that's why I was sending that and I kinda like saw once they set up that is so vulnerable that it would come down to that and that's how tanahashi will I get the wind on him and that's kind of what happened even though he didn't actually get the win,
Speaker 8:but he's still got enough points and that's what I love. I love that because that keeps their fucking feud going. Like if tanahashi had beat him clean, you know, I, I, I just think it doesn't have as much impact. But now like okada still has the upper hand in this, in this, you know, in this feud because he didn't lose ton tunnel hotsheet. He just went, the time limit drawn.
Speaker 6:But it's still at like it ended with hitting the high flows. Like he seemed like he had. Oh god, yeah. It was kinda like came out that match strong. And at first it was like tanahashi Just needed to survive. The 30 minutes and that's what his plan was, but eventually he just kind of got the upper hand and just kind of ran with it.
Speaker 1:Right? Yeah. And I do love that at the end he went for the high fly flow instead of just, you know, trying to run down the Clock. I thought that that was a really nice touch. Yeah.
Speaker 6:I also want to say I have a lot of praise for the job Kevin Kelly and rocky romero did like during the whole tournament, but like that match like right from before that match even started. They would not stop talking about it going into the time when the draw, like they brought it up like every minute, like during that, in the commentary to the point where it got really annoying. Then once it did go the time on the trial, it's just like, why did you guys like keep saying that if you knew that's what the fish was going to be, just like it's frustrating.
Speaker 1:They may not have been good.
Speaker 5:Well, and I don't think they knew that the that and I think that their commentary comes from the position of if you are listening to the english commentary, chances are you're not a casual wrestling fan because I would wager the majority of english speakers that are watching new Japan world are wrestling geeks and so this is going to be something that they're already going to be very cognizant of. So I think that they were fLavoring their commentary towards that kind of uber wrestlIng fan. That's why they would bring up stuff like being the lead. That's why they could kind of sneak in those sort of inside baseball things. They weren't selling it to the casual person. They were selling it to the uber fan.
Speaker 7:Also. it, it didn't bother me because there was a precedent set, right? Like it's, it's like again, coops going to grown, but it's like at the beginning of every fucking red sox yankees game from like my whole lifetime, the commentators like, alright, well get comfortable because this is going to go, who's going to go all night long? You know? And so the fact that these guys had gotten the limit twice in a row, like that precedent was set. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Why are you the one bringing a baseball and the baseball guy?
Speaker 7:Well, because I listened tO it from the basement my whole entire life.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I thought that just because you brought it up, I think the commentary was, was really good. Like throughout the tournament, I really enjoyed having me the american con, the english commentary. I don't know if, if I know coop you, you tend to listen to the japanese commentary
Speaker 6:for the most part I did. I stArted to like, uh, like the first few matches, like washed, like with the english and I'm like the main event I'll switch to japanese or if it's like a big match that I really care about do that. But they probably the final say chris charlton on and like he's amazing and like I wanted to hear him. So I just listened to him the entire time. You know what? I would have japanese commentary for that.
Speaker 1:I one critique about him, he, he, he liked his knowledge is off the charts, like I love this stuff, but I felt like he kept trying to have like a poetic statement, like, you know, like, oh, the ace is now the god or like he kept saying like these things to try to make it really poignant and I Just thought it was trying too hard, but other than
Speaker 6:I kind of appreciated that because he's in his, he's just genuinely like a huge fan of wrestling fan. Yeah. He's very emotional, which I can relate to. So I kinda, I kinda enjoyed that. Just like he was like emotional perspective, like a bushy his whole entire career leading up to this moment and it being like the golden ones.[inaudible]
Speaker 1:yeah. I mean like I said, I mean his, his knowledge was, was off the charts. I loved hearing him talk and you know, it's interesting. I'm surprised, I don't know like why they were switching Between django and, and chris charlton, uh, because it seemed like charles knew more and django was just translating. So I thought that was
Speaker 6:interesting. Availability, because I don't think they really used for charlton never, but I think being at being at uconn and him like literally writing books on the history of buildings in Japan for wrestling. yeah,
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, absolutely. In. But I thought that the, the ton of haji jacada match as, as expected was, was fucking brilliant. And even, you know, even with a, for me a draw doesn't have, you know, like, you know, obviously we had the ocado and mega draw from, from last year and draw doesn't really take away from my enjoyment of it at all. I know some people it, it might, but for me it was still an amazing match and
Speaker 6:yeah, I just like those guys can't go wrong. I think that the only negative thing I can say about it, which isn't even like negative, is that like compared to other. Oh, tanahashi matches like this is probably like middle of the road. Like I didn't think it was like as epic amazing masterpiece as the previous ones, but I mean the situation that they're in, the characters that they are right now and only having 30 minutes to do this. Like you can't expect them to put on a wrestle kingdom main event.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. It's still exactly. It wasn't wrestle kingdom and it wasn't some of their other matches but, but fOr the final, with a 30 minute time limit, I think they had a really, really good story.
Speaker 6:It wasn't, it wasn't as much callbacks aside from just lIke the risk clutching and tanahashi like getting the upper hand on ocado. But yeah, it was, it was, it was very like by the books like tanahashi okada, like spOt to spot to spot.
Speaker 1:Yep. I really, I really dug it. It was great. Yeah, no, it was great. And then of course blood be final. We had a, you know, the, the big one, everyone's been waiting for when, when the schedule came out was omega versus a bougie. And it was. Now I actually, I don't think I've seen, I don't think I saw their ddt match a buddha. The buddha can match. Yeah. I don't know that I've ever seen it. Um, but I mean I've seen these two work throughout their careers a lot and I was expecting, I really, you know, crazy match and it didn't disappoint. They, I think they toured the fucking house down in this match
Speaker 6:and just like, just like I was saying with jacada tanahashi thing where you can't expect them to do what they've done in the past. Like you can't watch that buddha can match from 10 years ago, like an expect that in the[inaudible] now. And I think they kind of didn't do that
Speaker 4:at the same time. They like, I felt like they left so much on the table like this was it, wasn't it like, don't get me wrong, this was not like disappointing in any way, shape or form. But it definitely feels like after watching this they're going to meet again and it's going to be that big epic match that you want. Because this wasn't the epic like buddha con main event that you want, this was just, this was them doing like a list of the things that they need to do, doing like beautiful counter to counter, like doing some dangerous spots, but like not doing like too many insane, like pto pays off the top rope like crazy shit that you expect from them as just saving that for a later date. Yeah. It felt like a really great opening match. What could be an incredible series between the two, but that those fucking, the knees, that quota bougie put on omega and tanahashi like the moon salt knees. That's fucking disgusting. Oh god. Yeah. Then that. Especially with the omega one, he just like random. Nice. Yeah. It hit your ribs. It hitashi like shins across. Whereas the point of his knees and elbows, the time of how she won, he like bounced too and I got my second day of the visit. Usually it was pretty much the ecc balanced on him. The omega one was this brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I do agree with that and I actually thought that that was going to be the, the lead up to a wrestle kingdom match and you know, because I thought for sure that's what they're gonna do like this is, this is act one and then we're going to see them a wrestle kingdom, uh, with, with a bougie winning the one. But obviously that's not what happened. But you know, knowing new Japan, I mean that match could be right around the corner, you know.
Speaker 4:So the question is then if a, because it boucher was able to get a wind over the champion, can he challenged between now and wrestle kingdom? That's what I'm thinking. But I like, I feel like that's not the match that you do at like fucking king of pro wrestling, a power struggle. That's something that needs to say for like dominion. Interestingly. I agree. They go, we were thinking, we were thinking that, you know, okada couldn't lose outside of wrestle kingdom for the longest time, you know, and I would have, I would have met any of you money that was going to be tanahashi in that main event. So
Speaker 12:yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4:I cried. You cried when she lost becAuse she lost her house. She won. Well I don't mind. I liked that. And is she been,
Speaker 1:you're like the.
Speaker 4:No, it's time to let the young guys get going there. Fucking dusty rhodes actually read a good comments on it, you know, just acknowledging where to where tanahashi is at his career that if you wanted
Speaker 3:that great epic fights against omega, now is the best time to do it.
Speaker 6:That life. I'm a little biased just because tanahashi he's like one of, if not my favorite wrestler of all time. Like I, I love this as like his swan song, like he's going to go out winning one final gyn and then getting that crazy match agaInst. So megan, I think they can put on like an amazing match together. I don't think two years from now they can put on the same mesh that they're going to be able to put it on now though. So hoping that timeout, she doesn't lose the briefcase at some point between now and wrestling. And I'm like I'm perfectly fine with this and not know him. No, that has never happened. That's why I was saying earlier like if anyone's going to lose it, I can see it being tanahashi because no fans are ever going to turn their back on him or think less of him if he does anything. So. But I, I don't know, I feel like I don't know where omega and we're a bushy like what company they're going to be in, what state they're going to be, whatever. But you have time to like do that match at dominion next year or wrestle kingdom the year after. If they're still new. Japan like tanahashi, ocado, tanahashi, omega like needs to happen like soon if they're going to do that. I don't, I haven't seen them wrestle each other in a long time. Like say ever since the they're going to have that. Like I see lighter. That never happened because tunnel know how she got hurt,
Speaker 7:right. I can't, I can't say this about everybody but I don't think omega is going anyway but, but the rest of them, the rest of the elite I think may not be here at least this time next year. But
Speaker 3:it's hard to tell what's going to happen. I guess the feeling you get from omega is that like he, he wants to do it before his body completely shuts down and he spent the entire tournament working off of a, a broken ankle and busted like front of his foot and stuff like that. And like last year you could see his body's starting to break down and he's made allusions to it. So if like, you know, february or january comes around and he's read the tea leaves and his body is starting to fail. I'm like, it could, it could happen. And it sort of goes back to wolfies sort of, um, feelings about the match. Like I thought it was a great match between a bustina mega, but if that's their last match, that's a disappointing match. And if new Japan had the opportunity to have the great blow off omega booshy match and they don't have it, like that's a, like a mess, failure on their part. So you have that, have the opportunity to do something with it and then not do it because they're trying to play the long game. You know, how much control
Speaker 7:do you think that they have over that though? You hear that they don't really like the gimmicks. Like they just kind of get them in there.
Speaker 3:It could've had a bushy when the[inaudible] well yeah, had them when the g one and then you have it because they have right that point you go through through like the first or second week of january or, or however work, however it works
Speaker 2:or you know, or you can have at the end of the day you can, even though it's less than ideal, you can't have that magic kingdom progressing because at least then you'll have a 60 minute time limit. You want to have a 30 minute time limit with her, you know, exhausting themselves and blah blah blah. And I mean that's like infinitely more preferable than just not having the blow off match. And even just watching the g one match like you could, you felt like this was a setup leading to a later match. This wasn't supposed to be like the definitive statement on where these guys are. It was like 25 minutes of like reversals and then like mirroring each other's moves one by one. Yeah. And I mean I think I think a lot of the pacing and the rhythm of that metric was hurt by a mega, probably not being at a hundred percent and being able to go full tilt. Like I mean danger wise they went full tilt but like pace wise are a tempo or like, you know, just kind of the rhythm of the match. Like it wasn't there. It was, it was the best at the end of the day it was spot to spot to spot. Whereas some other matches like there's a real uh, kind of exhilarating ebb and flow to the final and there really wasn't that this, which is fine, but if meg has gone, I mean, shit you had, you had like an amazing natural cross promotional cross decade thing that you could have had in and capitalize on. but she did it. It was going anywhere. I don't think he's going somewhere eventually, but I think that human, a booshy quantum match that match like maybe at maybe at dominion next year they'll have that match. You won't be tokyo dome but it will still be. Maybe he beats tanahashi, keeps the title and then a bougie challenges or something like that. we could still see that match at wrestle kingdom could lose the title before then so it's possible and we can see here, you know like he definitely, he did beat him, you know, so he is theoretically in line for a title shot. Like they're not doing it at a power struggle on camp wrestling though I feel like I think I'll make us kind of have the defense[inaudible] she obd, she and then maybe a power struggle or whatever. the next one is like they just might not be a defense. I think it's telling that ton of how she came out and said, my defenses for the[inaudible] contract are with okada and are withj white and the only thing we've heard with omega is the match and not the yano and not your blue sheet match or they're holding. They're holding back the auto management. My wrestling on January 5th, that's what they're going to call it. They're going to call it wrestling wrestle kingdom or that's when they'll give him the shot. Joe knew your stash anymore. A new use number.
Speaker 6:Remember? Remember when jano had like three light good matches at the start of the tournament. We were like, this is the new yano and then he just turned to shit after that. I don't think it is fun though. like yeah. Gosh,
Speaker 2:not good at doing that. Reverting back to it and having a laugh out loud. Don't say sonata batch with omega. Oh yeah. I wanted that. I was like, oh man, I'm going to have to eat some crow. Yeah,
Speaker 5:I, I really left out loud with the spots on the uh,
Speaker 2:the pads on the way over because like at first like omega, like sold it and then he was like, well, wait a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 6:I like the a lot with that night. Like they did, we talked about it. Um, it'd be like two or three episodes ago where I had mentioned they kind of did like the ecw style paul heyman thing or like bougie was fighting someone like el desperado and then that kind of like blend into the next tour. they did that, they did that same thing here where it was a booshy last to a tama Tonga. And then because of the interference I'm like, omega came out and tried to help booshy when bush, he ended up losing and then omega got roughed up and then they kind of like blend into jano coming out and trying to take advantage of it. Like I really enjoyed that. That's something that like they do, they do that sparingly enough where it's like this like north american style, like booking thing that I actually don't mind them doing it.
Speaker 5:It was smart because they knew mathematically that omega was going to have to take a certain number of losses and they knew that there would be a conversation if he lost to somebody that they would want to be justifiably want a title shot, but by setting it up for jano to win it in very dubious circumstances as it was, nobody is going to be, you know, yelling out why isn't getting a title shot other than me. And uh, yEah,
Speaker 6:it was smart. It was very smart. I know this, I know this would have ruined your five star charlie chaplin comedy hour thing, whatever. But uh, I, I was kind of like a little bit annoyed that I thought jano is going to come out and like kind of take advantage of the situation like when within a minute, but just kinda like turned into this like 15 minutes, like yanno match. I don't know. I mean it was funny. It was funnier than his other matches. I'll agree. But like, I dunno, I didn't, I was Just like kinda like, oh, it's just going to turn into a match now. I worked for me
Speaker 5:and I liked the sonata match. Dammit. It had some good callbacks lesson
Speaker 2:and it came at a good time too, because if I recall correctly, it was right after kenny had the match with ece when he got his fucking lit fucked up. Oh god. Speaking
Speaker 5:of that match, that was the sole match in the tournament that I gave five stars.
Speaker 4:That metro is amazing. So good. Take a wrestling match. I maybe have to rewatch it because that was like my fifth favorite match. That was, that was my first five star match of the tournament. So fucking good. I watched that with my, um,
Speaker 6:former ex girlfriends xx xx change in age. Xander cane doesn't feel like a lot of wrestling and has like pre predetermined like thoughts about like what wrestling is like everyone does and like watching that was Just like, they're just like really hitting each other. And I was like, yeah, pretty much this. Like when certain guys get in the ring together, they just like hate each other.
Speaker 4:Yeah. But then she made, she made fun of overnight oats here though. Yeah. Well, that was justifiably so.
Speaker 10:Why do you say that? Because cam see, watch that match with me and she hasn't seen a lot of new Japan and when she does see it without fail, it's fucking janO or it's fucking uh, you know, the, the girl with her ass out in a bunny mask on like that stuff, like phases are, but it just kind of fucking seems like same old, same old, you know, like, so, you know, it's harder for her. Uh, so seeing that she was like, oh, I would like to go to a new Japan show. And then I was like, yeah, well that's sold out. So you're out of luck
Speaker 4:considering the only match my fiance watch was the uh, booshy a zack saber jr match. And she was having no part of it. I don't think she's ever going to what? like, like she just kept saying, it looks so fake. And I was like, thank you. Oh, come on.
Speaker 10:so handsome. I mean, are you kidding me? He's so talented.
Speaker 4:Should get her on the thing. It's like, hey, you remember that? A really boyIsh looking british guy. Why do you think down in my legs, there you go. As we've, as we're finding out dynamo likes boys.
Speaker 10:Well that type of boy I rebel against you saying I like women that look like men because that's not true. But. Well I like short haircuts but like, you know, like for janetta drawings,
Speaker 4:was there anything specifically in the tournament's we wanted to discuss? I mean we've kinda hit a lot of the big notes. Yeah. I'm trying to think of anyone that we didn't really mention. We haven't gone around and talked about what is, if, if we were pressed and said quit, could only recommend people check out one match. So our favorite match of the tournament. What would it be? A sort with jake on ddt.
Speaker 6:I gotta wait on him to take the stuff. Getting that error message. Oh, I'm stressing. I can't think. Okay, we'll, we'll, we'll skip you and you'll go last. We'll start with mars then.
Speaker 10:Um, initially I was going to say a mega oh mega because it had like enough of like wrestling that it wouldn't be alienating to somebody who had never seen it before, but I would go all in and, and like a bougie eeg is my kind of new Japan batch to what I, it's
Speaker 6:islands
Speaker 10:fair and dropped on head violence too. It's, it's a good combination of what I loved about it. Uh, you know, in the juniors of the, you know, of the, uh, of the early nineties and then the god goddess and so on have later on in this new modern wrestling toughness and modern storytelling. I loved it.
Speaker 6:What was your favorite match of the tournament? Final ending? Just everything about that match. And it obviously helps if you like know the history of the guys and everything, but just like, I dunno, like we didn't even mention fucking shabbat a second. I got a question and maybe you guys can tell me I'm crazy, but did shabbat a look different to you as particularly in the face? He lost a lot of ways. He looks, he looks like he doesn't work out as much anymore. What it was like did look a little different. Yeah. I don't know if part of his recovery maybe may have required some surgery, but he looked different to me. I think he just looked less like a professional wrestler that could be it. But I think from just like from that, from omega cornering a bougie and then shabbat to being the surprise coroner for like tanahashi, which like right when that happened, I was like fuck, tanahashi has a chance to now. Because I was picturing celebration together, which we got from that, from that. Just like that. Like I loved the tanahashi booshy matches that we've had over the last few years. This one was just like next level from like pacing and like at the athleticism you get from them and just like tanahashi knowing that he's kinda like, he can't keep up with like a bougie in these strike battles. Like he would still, they still just like slapped the shit out of each other for like 20 minutes like but it. But a ton of how she would still just like draw him into like wrestling and if a bushy like tries to wrestle tanahashi like that's not gonna work, I know how she's going to, he's like the god of wrestling and he's gonna out wrestle him and how she just kept drawing them and drawing them and drawing them in, making them make mistakes and like reversing the categories at the end which were, there were like 20 of them and it was just more dramatic after every time, every time and just eventually got the wind and I don't know, that was beautiful to me. Like it wasn't what I wanted going into it. But after it was over, like that's what I wanted out of that match. Like I wanted to push you to win and I wanted a bougie omega at wrestle kingdom. But like now that it happened and I saw that match, I am like all laying on tanahashi and I'm so happy that he wanted like I fucking love them as much.
Speaker 8:You watch it twice. Group. I remember you saying you were going to watch it again because was it Just sort of the surprise of everything that happens? Kind of took.
Speaker 6:Got it. Yeah, because I just, I like after it was over I was like, I love that match so much. And I was like, I'm gonna watch it again because like, good, I really love that. Like, was that as good as I thought it was? I'm like, oh, wash it again. It was great.
Speaker 8:sorry. Just going to say I was going to, I'm going to watch it again because I, I was up really late last night finishing up because I wanted to make sure that I could wAtch all the main tournament matches and like I ended up watching it, like I was falling asleep, like I didn't fall asleep but I was like exhausted, you know? So, um, I, it was surprising and I definitely, it's one on one. That's why I think I can't really properly rate it and why I need to see it again.
Speaker 6:I'm taking into consideration like the stakes and like how dramatic it was. Like just like the two guys, facial expressions, just like simple things as like selling pain or just like being happy that like you kicked out or something. Like it was just like I don't, it was just like next level, like exhilarating. Watching them react to like everything that happened and you really felt like you were like in this match. I'm like wanting just like not even like wanting either one of them, the wind just like wanting this to just like keep going so fucking good and this kind of how she just like collapsing at the end and like he couldn't, couldn't Be like that air guitar sessIon at the end. That was like the worst one I've ever seen in my life because he was just like fucking dead. Like he couldn't, he couldn't keep doing these encores because like he could barely stand up. Alright. So woefully. What was your favorite match of the tournament?
Speaker 8:Oh, well I have two five star matches from them. Yano versus jano. I'm a man. I, it's, it's tough to pick one. You know, I'm on. I already talked about nato and omega on the last show because that was a five star match to me from, from night to the first night of a biblical. I don't know why, I just, I loved it. I just love that match. See, it was a perfect match and, but for me, since I already talked about that, I'll go with a abouti abouti wow. Booshy versus. Oh man.
Speaker 6:yeah,
Speaker 8:it gushi versus omega, the vblock, a, b block final. And I think the reason why and something that I didn't mention earlier when we were discussing that match is these, these two are best friends and maybe more right? Like that's kind of like the sort of like an unknown thing like it, it's, it's presumed that they may even be a couple. Like, so the fact that these two went at it for nearly a half hour, killing each other was just crazy. And even like the head trauma in this that, that, uh, booshy took. Like that's one thing we didn't mention, there was that move where a bougie looked like he was going for a reverse ronna and then kenny just dropped
Speaker 1:him on his head. Like that was just fucking crazy. There was a couple of big moves like that. And then the, the tiger driver off the top that, that, uh, that uh, booshy hit. That was like kind of the precursor to the, to the um, uh, I almost said[inaudible], uh, the uh, was he called his moved jesus christ. I forgot
Speaker 5:a common goal. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Great. Thank you. Yeah. So, uh, the precursor to that, like that whole thing was just was just nuts and just seeing like, and you could tell like these two, these two love each other and like, but, but when it comes to competition, it doesn't fucking matter. You want to win, you want to be the best. And it's just like, that's, that's kind of the sport of it. And if this was, I hate to really compare it to web, but if this was a wwe, wwe match, like it would just be like one guy would lay down for the other or like they would just have a real friendly match, you know, where, where they wouldn't hit each other or something like that. But this is for the fucking gun like this is, this is the one of the biggest crowns in your profession. You're going to give it your fucking all and you're going to, you're going to try to win it. And that's what I loved about it was, was despite the relationship between these two, they went all out like even more so than they probably would have against anyone else. And it was just like you said, it wasn't, it probably wasn't my favorite match of the tournament, but it was just nuts. It was. It was tons of crazy spots, tons of neck trauma, tons of strikes. It, it, it was really like really crazy.
Speaker 10:It made it their relationship made it important and made it and direct contradiction to the way the tongans were handling the tournament. And not caring about the ramifications of it. Sure.
Speaker 5:Alright. Well that's for myself. Um, you already talked about it but it was easy. And omega not only did it appeal to the things that I enjoy most about wrestling where things get legitimately brutal and there is that just great struggle between two top notch. Tough ass bastards. Try trying with everything. They have to beat the other one. But it was also one of the ones that had me the most emotionally invested because going into this, you know, we'll make it had his winning streak and it was going to be interesting to see if he could go the distance, you know, it'd be the first person to ever clear the[inaudible] winning every single match. And for the early going it looked like he was the guy to do it. But at the same time I have so much love for egg and even though he's not ever going to necessarily be that top guy, he is just so goddamn legitimate and he has so much of my goodwill that I can believe and also want him to succeed. And so with every near fall towards, again, I was enraptured with it and I kept going back and forth. It's like, well, I want to make it with, I want to eat you to. When I was just wrapped up in this match that far away, we got to the biggest emotional response to me, even with other ones like the, um, the, the omega booshy match or like the tanana booshy match going into it. I kind of had either a strong sense of who was going to win. So the ambiguity wasn't there or I had a sense of, well, if either guy wins, I'm going to be, I'm going to be content, but I didn't have the same kind of connection. I didn't have that same kind of just really, you know, that ambiguity that I had with the omega match. So that was definitely my favorite.
Speaker 10:Uh, I think that, uh,
Speaker 7:omega is just special, you know what I mean in the fact that, or do all that stuff is something that. I mean like you have a lot of people, not a lot, but I mean there's a roster full of goto is a perfect example, like he can do those tough and rugged matches, you know, but like the fact that like omega manages to do that and put like a, haiti's the term but a little bit of just the right amount of sports entertainment and there is like, you know, important and, and really a next level stuff.
Speaker 5:Well we can call it showmanship. Alright. Jg saved you for last. What was your favorite of the tournament?
Speaker 2:What was, what was yours? Wolfie here's where you are. no match. So y'all don't match. Okay. That was my second favorite of my actual favorite at the tara. I don't know, honestly, like I, I haven't really kept it in mind too much in terms of how everything's stacked up to each other. So I'll just go with the booshy ecg, uh, because of how gnarly it was. Um, it was great. Um, whenever it booshy goes like murder mode, like get excited because like, really my, my kind of introduction to this style of pro wrestling was the booshy nakamura match because that was the wrestle kingdom that I'd watched and I had enjoyed a lot of it. I'm pretty sure that also had, um, uh, was that the one where[inaudible] should Beto booty booty? Actually, no, I think that one was a shibata and goto winning the tag tag titles. I had watched good matches that night and that was the night where I had convinced myself that it was a geek because he looked like he could. He got in a pretty clean by. Well, hIs hair, his hair was terrible back then. His hair right now is amazing. I love his hair right now, but back then it was terrible. It was a fucking gong show. But if gushi and naka moora like blew my fucking mind, uh, the first time I watched it, honestly, it still blows my mind. It's incredible. But you don't always see like straight up murder a booshy showing up murder. Facebook. She doesn't always. That's a good point. Thing. Reminds you of young daniel's in the cloud. That's one thing I forgot to mention is, is bruce seems so unassuming. He's like this really nice like handsome guy, but then yeah, when he goes like murder booshy, it's fucking scary and it was such a cool moment. Like even knowing that like we'd seen it before and then we'd seen it most recently in a esg metrics just trading punches to each other's throats. That was insane. It was kind of stupid if she tried to do that to his idol is his god. I mean that was really what the Congo. He was named after. Yeah. It was his first. His match against tanahashi last years where he debuted it at the[inaudible] basically a year ago. Yeah. And so like knowing he has that in him to a guy's fearsome is ecg and he wasn't able to. He didn't back down. He fought through it, he won that match and it was an amaZing fucking match. And then he does that with a ton of hashimoto's and like you See like the murder face melt away and he like legitimately intimidated because
Speaker 6:any, any like fucked up because he kept, he kept going for the common guy over and over again. Like she like had that scattered 100 percent and every time he went for it, like how she had something new to rehearse it into something new and amazing looking and smooth guy. Crazy transition to reverse that into. It's just so fucked, such fucking good storytelling and so emotional. That shit,
Speaker 10:she is the best seller right now by like a fucking mile. Like that guy is a selling motherfucker. Like he, when he is done, when he's beat up, he looks beat up.
Speaker 2:I think he legit is beat up like those facial expressions, you know,
Speaker 10:what do you fucking holding his head like looks like he's holding his head on his shoulders when he's walking back to the locker room.
Speaker 2:But it's like, um, in terms of the repeated attempts, it's like when you play a video game and like you're low on health and you're just like, mashing, like you're not even thinking, you're just like, I need to get out of this, I need to win this. Now I'm fucked because this guy is like 70 feet tall and you know, whatever the fuck. And you're just like smashing, you know, the, the finished button. That's basically what he was doing.
Speaker 6:Compare that to a fucking cool as a cucumber tanahashi who hits a three high flows in a row without even thinking he hits one jumps out at deborah, hits it. And like, after the first one I was like, ah, did we, she's getting his knees up and hit the second one. He jumped back up and I was like, why would you do this three times? But fucking work. Like he knew what he was doing. Well in the second one was standing cross bodies. the
Speaker 3:only time in the history of high cross bodies would that look like it fucking killed. So where was my thought? Whereas my thinking, um, it plays into like, you know, it's all perspectives, you know, I understand people who think that it's just kind of a scene of how she moment where he just, you know, endures all this punishment from a bougie and then just elevates it, but it, it's there, you know, whether it's fair or not or we're reading too much into it, like booshy lost because he was facing his idol and he got caught up in the moment. It was bigger than him, you know, he, he went from something that wasn't ready to have been gone for yet and he should've known better. and when the guy got him, he couldn't, you know, um, pull himself together and come back to it. And that's the sort of thing that you probably need to have if you're telling a long form story because if a, she's just more talented, the tanahashi and that's it. Then there's no, there's no story to tell. That's it. It's just the, the, the old guard has gone to pasture and the new sexy hotness who does flips off everything and punches people in throats is, is hunky dory. But it sets itself up for later, which is great. Um, yeah. I don't know, like I guess we should fold this into maybe another conversation about who the mvp of the tournament
Speaker 5:was. An it'll probably be she looking at the list that we all put just a as a casual thing. Why was asking the favorite matches? The person that appeared the most out of the list with four out of the five horsemen was booshy. He goes, morris had a booshy versus eca coop had a bougie versus tauna well if you had a bushy versus omega and jakey us so had a bushy versus eeg. So he is as least at least in terms of what our favorite matChes where he was the guy who appeared the most consistent and memorable. Why? So I would say is number one, I'd probably put boost in omega, like as tight as number two in terms of like overall performance.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah, I'd agree with that. You'd also have to consider tanahashi and ocado because they did save the a block kinda. I mean, I thought like, hey man, page saved it as much as anyone else to be perfectly honest in terms of like delivering good matches like him and, and you know,
Speaker 5:honestly, I mean I know he's not like the most popular boy in the world, but like, yeah. Oh, alcan was like elegant was good. I thought I thought that match against tanahashi was like awesome until they fucked up the finish. I was really on board with that match. I liked that one a lot, but it kind of messed up that like roll up. Yeah, at
Speaker 3:the end. Yeah. But I mean the, the b block was just so unfair if only by virtue of the fact that like some guys just have amazing chemistry with each other and in one block you had ecg, goto, knight, auto, booshy, omega, zack, saber, jr. And almost all of those guys, you know, there are some exceptions to this kind of round robin of amazingness, but almost everybody has amazing chemistry with everybody. Yeah. two of them and put them in a ring. Yeah. That's kind of what the magic of b block was, was that like, it was just hard to find a bad match outside of tama, like everything in like juice elevated himself this year. Whereas he had like some really great matches with a lot of different guides and a lot of different styles. Like it was just, it was a lights out block and in the best block like ecg, you add the best matches across the board. I mean it's, I don't know, we're splitting hairs here. that's probably him into booshy
Speaker 8:the one thing and it kind of piggybacks on what the, your, your match pick their jakey. But um, what, what do you guys see for booshy? Like after[inaudible], like, you know, he made it to the finals, which is, which is great, you know, but does this elevate his, his status in the company at least for the time being? I mean we, we don't even know his, you know, he's not a new Japan guy so to speak, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 3:pretty sure he signed a contract. I don't know if I can find it anywhere, but like the last, like he, he wrestled in a ricky chose shoe produce show this year in which a couple of other new Japan guys did, so that's not out of the ordinary. And then last year he did like an ex was show and then he did, he, he caused played as a samurai and the big ddt show, but like 98 percent of his matches have been new Japan and I would be inclined to think that he's being like either held in a holding pattern for something greater or he's going to be put into an ic title type type situation. But I mean all of that's on hold probably until wrestle kingdom, you know, because of. Because of jericho. So it's either.
Speaker 8:Apparently there's a tweet, a uncle dave tweeted out, someone asked is abruzzi signed? And so uncle dave says he's not signed. And then he said, of course we'll talk about the booking in a few minutes doing a show. So this was, I'm sure he talked at all about it on observer last night.
Speaker 3:Okay. It's a curious thing because if he is not, he's still not going anywhere, you know, like he has the opportunity to wrestle and a lot of different promotions but he doesn't do it. So it's a, it's a curious relationship.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it is. Interesting. So I mean you would think though that
Speaker 1:if they put him in the finals, you know, that they do have some sort of plans for him.
Speaker 3:Tanahashi overnight toe. Like noBody would have sneezed at that. Nobody would've thought that would've been a bad thing. They didn't have to have like three times last year though. Yeah. But yeah, but we're going to see okada or we're going to see tonah okada for the third time. That's on a different level. It's on a different level but we're still seeing the same shit. Like nobody would have sneezed at it, like, like be blocked, didn't have to go down the way that it did and it did for a reason. You know, who she didn't have to do it, you know? I mean I guess so mega depending on what they want. It's, I dunno, like I don't think it was just like, well, you know, we got a booshy let's put them in the pot. There's a lot to be said about like a bougie losing that match and basically just like getting up and like hugging omega and walking away with a ton of how she's just like laying on the ground and can barely breathe. But is the winter blows my mind that he's not signed though? Like for most on both ends of it? yeah. Like what, like, like at this point after this tournament sign that fucking guy, like sign him like, dude, well I know, I don't know if it's as much as he doesn't want to sign something right now. What do you mean? But that's the weird thing. Like if he just doesn't want to sign any, he wants to have that freedom. He's not doing anything, you know, like he's not really, you know, lord knows like ddt would have him show up doing a random thing. Pgw would, you know, random uk indies and stuff like that. It's not like, you know, throughout the year he's been like front and center. He's been riding shotgun with omega and being as buddy old pal, you know, for a hot minute now. So it's. I don't know, it's, it's a, it's a weird dynamic to say the least, but that's a bougie shit. Yeah. I mean the guy doesn't make sense in the majoRity of things that it does. No, that's partly major. Wrestled for three quarters of a year as a fucking cartoon character pretended that it wasn't him. Russell.
Speaker 1:Then the fucking cdo cwc, right. The cruiserweight classic with weird.
Speaker 3:Just because you want him to do it. He didn't want to sign a contract with them. He just wanting to do it. Yeah, I did it
Speaker 1:and they wanted to sign him and he didn't want it.
Speaker 3:Imagine if they signed zack saber jr. It'd be on tour in david's have terrible meshes or they wouldn't be able to five live right now. How about that? We were in like their first match early on was a low key highlight of the tournament, the zack saber jr booshy match and just like in a, in a two month span, in a six weeks, seven weeks span. We got like, I don't know, probably between each of them like eight, nine, like amazing high, high caliber matches. I mean they can be, they can be wrestling jet gal and her though, man, umbrella man. Like you know, people can you know, talk aBout, you know, oh you know, It's, it's whatever you guys just, you know, it's business and they go along to the next thing. They're always be great, you know, matches with other guys. People will step up. But at the end of the day, like if they had stayed in wwe, like just looking back between that stretch and now how many amazing matches we would not even talking to actually read your use of algebra and was like the group like I would say that's like the greatest evolve world title. Like run in history of evolve. Like we wouldn't have gotten that. Like it is normal to lament when guys get caught up in that vortex and we don't get to see the kind of matches we get to see anymore. Like that is something that is something to be said about. And the crazy thing is, is that, you know, nxt is still really good. It's a really, really good promotion, maybe even a great promotion, but the sad fact of everything is, is that guys get signed there and within a year, year and a half, they're gone and they're ruined. They're essentially ruined and nxt isn't like, you know, a terrible place. Plenty of guys have elevated or at least been on the same level. But when you're looking at all of these people, men and women alike getting signed, the best case scenario is then delivering the same quality of matches for one more year. And then poof,
Speaker 7:it's baffling. It's baffling because it's one thing if you look at the difference of, okay, maybe aga styles isn't going to go to the wbf in b, you know, new Japan, aj styles or you know, maybe nakamura sandbagging it. But if you look at, if you look at finn balor like or bobby roode, Who I don't particularly like, like they would do in it, right in your company already. And then you brought them up and fucking blew it. It's unbelievable. It's like, it's like, you know, it's, it's like, doesn't, it makes, it's like wwf is a giant tax write off, like gets almost made to fail. It just doesn't make any sense. It's like,
Speaker 3:well that's the thing, right? Like that's the kind of like hilarious irony of it all is that like, you know, on a critical level there, you know, the, the most obvious sad failure of a promotion ever because they have like the best crop of talent that they've ever, ever had. And the product is the worst it's ever been, but it's been more profitable
Speaker 4:tv rights.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So like you know, we can be, you know, you like someone you know, can be like, oh look how amazing things were and how much you're blown it now. And you can say I just got a billion dollars to show my show that can barely break a two point. Oh right. You know,
Speaker 4:because we hired nakamoto, like logo people
Speaker 9:point like, you know, if ventures to reason that that bubble is gonna burst. You know what I mean? In, in the. I think the only thing that might save it is the fact that more regardless that they got a billion dollars, like if there is anyone out there and maybe somebody can be cynical and that's not true there they don't exist, but if there is anyone out there that's on that show now that would rather be making art, they're starting to be other places to work which will breed competition, which you know, maybe that's the long game now because again, the whole, you know, there's been a big paradigm shift because they basically, as you said, got because dollars for a product that's out getting bad ratings and not good, you know, who knows, you know, like there's everything that I think I know about wrestling has changed now, which is a weird thing.
Speaker 3:failing upward is a very american tradition. Sure. So I just stopped those.
Speaker 9:I'll never forget Kevin Smith talking about the guy that produced batman. Used to be a, like some. I can't remember. Some famous singers. Hairdresser.
Speaker 3:Oh, you're taLking about peter. Peter something or other. Yeah. You worked with jerry bruckheimer. He's the guy who came up with the big giant spider thing that showed up in wildfire to. What wasn't that movie shampoo based off him was. He was barbra streisand a hairdresser. Um, yeah. I mean, you know, that's, that's, that's how shit goes. You know, what can you do?
Speaker 4:John peters features that we eat or something. John peters, the shampoo was totally based off of him. Random ass trivia. I liked watching new Japan pro wrestling and buddha hall. That was a great venue Like ready for lIke kentico bosch to just walk out at anytime. You just reminded me of all the amazing, like noah matches I've seen over the years like that building is synonymous, synonymous with like. no to me it didn't, didn't know Japan run there before noah. Always thinking no, just. I think it's just mat outside and everything and just know it. To me.
Speaker 9:Building left witness our.
Speaker 12:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah. So we were starting to talk about mvps. I don't know how far we got.
Speaker 9:I think that statistically,
Speaker 6:statistically we landed on a bougie, but I think the, the general tenor of the conversation was leaning very heavily towards eca.
Speaker 11:Yeah.
Speaker 8:And I'm totally okay with that. And you gotta you gotta say your omega to, you know, obviously has to be in the conversation because I mean, every, every match he had was, was, was quality, you know, whether or not you'd like to know that that's, you know, it's up to each individual. But, you know, he had a fucking great tournament as well.
Speaker 10:yeah. I even didn't hate his match what tama Tonga. And I felt like the outcome in that, which that almost gets spoiled for you will feel as close. I deleted it before anybody saw it, but, uh, the um, uh, you know, like, I didn't think the eeg tama Tonga match was that great. but I did enjoy the booshy one. So like if with that, and I love, I really liked the yano cota booshy one. So I think he's my mvp in love and wrestling. He's so dreamy. I just want to count as his back.
Speaker 12:Well that's my fingers up and down like oh my god.
Speaker 10:Wash your dirty underwear on it. Yeah, like a cock and spiel.
Speaker 12:Wow.
Speaker 6:Alright. Well was there anything else on the tournament we wanted to hit?
Speaker 8:Well, yeah. One thing I would like to talk about is what do you guys see happening from the. So I mean do we see omega and tanahashi and if so, like what? What's their, what's their history? I'm trying to think back.
Speaker 6:They had, they had the, they had a intercontinental title match like two years ago and then it was leading up to the first ever lighter match in new Japan history. That's kind of how she got injured. So then it was omega and elegant. So it seemed like they weren't going to start bouncing the title back and forth between tanahashi and omega before townhouse you got injured and then he was kind of out until the[inaudible] that year and they kind of just, that's when omega just took off and one that you want and had the match cancel kata and tanahashi was just kind of in the rear view mirror at that point. So it's kinda like rekindling this thing from two years ago that they never really finished. So I really hope that nothing crazy comes out of this where a mega loses a title or tanahashi loses his briefcase because I want to see that master as a kingdom. I think it will like deliver tenfold. Does that mean we're going to get a letter match at wrestle kingdom? No, absolutely man event. But I'm confident it will be an amazing. I really hope it happens.
Speaker 3:It's basically a, a protective match and it's been protected for quite a while along with the fact that it, you know, if you want to attach meaning to it is a pretty clear representation of the old guard versus new guard. The global approach versus the homegrown hero so to speak. And there's a lot to play off of that there. Plus it gives kenny or reason to despise tadashi by having him, pete, his golden lover and his friend and his bud. So I'm looking forward to it. It would be really lamentable like honestly like I don't know, I wouldn't be sad to see okada omega, you know, part four, part five rather. But like I'd rather just see them hold true and do something cool with omega and tanahashi because this feels like as great as this feels, it does feel like a, you know, a, a holdover or not a hold of her, but like you know, something to, to keep the tokyo dome warm until 20, 20 when they had to sell it out.
Speaker 6:I know people joke about cnn everything, but it is kind of crazy too that like they still can't have a tokyo domain event without ocado or tanase headlining boucher. Meg and I was like, we're finally now getting caught a ton of hotshoe we've had for the last 10 years, but there's still, it's got to be one of them. But I feel like this might, this might be the last one unless okada, isn't it next year?
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean at the end of the day, like as much as we love omega booshy, I don't know if that really sells more tickets the last year, but if you have tanahashi and the main event, especially after the run he had and how like whipped into a frenzy, the local crowd was like,
Speaker 6:it was crazy. Like I, I'd Seem like there was a lot more. it was like 50 slash 50 to start like a bougie tanahashi booshy town hotshoe. But like bY the end of that match, like everyone in buda condom was like tanahashi tanahashi, like
Speaker 3:you just won them over. He was greaT. Use the ace. Let's all goes. Yes, he is the ace. The ace of hearts. That's what I said. Well that's what I see the ace of coop.
Speaker 8:I don't really. Yeah, I mean I think it would be. I think it would be a disappointment if that match didn't happen at this point. You know, if, if you know, someone took the briefcase or the title from omega, you know, but I mean until, until such a time that we need to not have faith in quito. I, I have faith in quito and you know, I know jackie you were talking about there is some potential for some scariness on the horizon with uh, with Harold May kind of taking more of a, you know, on camera roll. But you know, I'm, I'm hoping that that's just sort of really goIng to be every once in a because you know, the bcg with them kinda running wild. I, I could see needing an authority figure out there to, to kind of diffuse things. So I guess I get it, you know, but until, until we have a reason not to trust guido on, I'm still all in. There
Speaker 7:should be a thing in the first place. So frigging that Harold May is so fucking weird looking at. It looks like fucking willy from alf trying to stay down. Bad luck.
Speaker 3:Fucking. He doesn't seem like a very nice guy. Seemed pictures of him where he's apparently like, hey, he was hanging out the boot ican and like saying hi to people who came up and wanted to talk to him. And he apparently he has like special stickers designated like says like you are a super cool dude Japan fan or something like that. So it seems like a pretty likable dude. Pretty outgoing And you know, I'm, I'm rooting for him. Obviously I'm rooting for this promotion. I'm room for him to, you know, get us an app for and um, you know, obvIously like do other things, other quality of life, things like not show who won the one blocks for the finals. Yeah. Like, you know, I'm hoping that some outside perspectives can kind of smooth out the edges.
Speaker 7:I just worry that in the process of trying to appeal to more western fence, like they start going about it the wrong way and little little bits in ways which you wouldn't buy me if it's like small things, but like some of the on air, like things that seem like they're trending towards more western style is kind of a little bit frustrated reading. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I feel like that might be just, you know, though he's. How long has he been doing this? Like you hit a point where you stop fucking repeating yourself, you so you know, it's, I mean, let's put it this way, I forgot to coop did it, but just the fact that he did that, paul heyman style match transitioned twice in a year. Like that's the type of stuff that scares me more than just having a new person's involvement because I bet you for all we know how may doesn't know squat about anything, he knows like, no, come stand here and tell them to go away. They know who you are and you're important. And you know what I mean? Like it feels more like him than, than that guy thinking like, I want to be a tv star, you know?
Speaker 8:Yeah. I would think so too. It's probably more ghetto
Speaker 3:at the end of the day. Like we're, we're probably gonna have a better sense of it as, as things go on because we can kind of shuffle it to be an oh that weird. She one thing, because a lot of[inaudible] stuff is self contained. Uh, but you know, if we're talking about this coming january and it's still happening, then yeah, I mean the, the tenor is going to be a little different. It's going to be a little more critical, but that's just how it's got to be. You know, what, it's the Zukie gun, have to do the exile and whatever that is, tell the tongass noah could use some time of Tonga,
Speaker 6:put half sTock into another company and then just ship the tongans or tongans aren't throwing young lions at, at Harry May. So that's probably why they could buy stock in a heat up. Megan. Yeah. Megan, probably by heat up honestly.
Speaker 8:So I guess, I don't know, I think we've kind of exhausted the gun.
Speaker 6:Yeah. I'm going to try. I'm trying to think of any like big things or things that stuck out to me that we haven't talked about, but I can't really think of any.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I'm sure there's other stuff, but then we've touched on a lot of the sort of big ticket items so to speak. Uh, you know, and as far as uh, you know, I know we talked a lot about switchblade j white, but I think that his shtick kinda got a little old as the tournament went on, so I don't think, you know, at first I thought he was going to be like the mvp, like he had a great start but I think after that it just kind of was a little bit of more of the same for him. So, uh, but hey man page, you know, was, was a standout for sure. When, I know we briefly touched on him. Do you guys see anything from anything different from yoshi hotshoe? I know we talked about that and they sort of alluded to something in the commentary, but do you guys see anything different or is it just going to be the same fucking paula deen haircut? Dude,
Speaker 3:it's funny. I have, I would've thought he would if it wasn't for tai-chi within his ass because it because honestly like I know we kind of shit on him, but he had some pretty good matches this tournament. They weren't, you know, blow away or anything like that. But he wasn't, he wasn't out of his element. I think he had bad matches with suzuki and folly, but the other matches some of those I enjoyed. Um, yeah, lIke it's just, you know, he's just not on that level for whatever reason. He just hasn't figured anything out and I don't know if they're just setting up a mini kind of program with aussie and he just ends up going over tai-chi because he's more established. I don't know. Um, but I mean, I don't have the highest hopes for the guy. He's not that talented. He's not that charismatic, but, you know, he's a, I don't know. I think there's a place for him that's about it.
Speaker 6:I think the thing too is that he's like, he's not that bad, but he's just like, surrounded by like amazing wrestlers and it kind of makes them stick out. It's like worse than he actually is. put yoshi harshly, like in another promotion that isn't new. Japan, like he wouldn't be that bad and he might stand out as like one of the better guys. She taught to ones the all Japan until tagged with them and made them look a rejuvenated guy
Speaker 2:and I think you'll see how she could be 10 times bryan danielson.
Speaker 9:You're the last one. Who should make fun of me, motherfucker. Who the rest of these guys don't know, but you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go ahead jake. You're no good. I was just going to say before we put a bow on this thing, I want to make an announcement for the next youtube party. Forgot to do that at the top of the show. Uh, but we're going to do that for people who don't know, like we have like a channel where we can show like wrestling matches and there's a really cool kind of chat client attached to it and it set a time. A dot t v e t a t I m a.tv in our channel is m slash r slash the five hoffman, five spelled out in rural, be doing a youtube party. I'll go ahead and say it will do it on September 8th because I'm going to be in Mexico next week and then the following week I'm going to be working and then the following week is labor day. So that's like the soonest I can do it. So September 8th is that. Are you going to that gw show in chicago? God, that's on that weekend. Oh son of a bitch. Okay. I'm just don't do it in october. October is off limits for us. Yeah, exactly. I can't do it this weekend. And then I'm coming back on the 25th so I can't do on the 25th. I can't do it on the first because that's labor day. I can't do it on the eighth if I go to gc, w. So go with the 15th. There we go. I'm free and clear. Um, and yeah, like we'll, we'll be talking about on the facebook group and we might even have another episode before that happens as well. We'll talk about it then. But basically I'm a will program, like a series of wrestling matches and assorted silly things, silly videos, commercials, you know, whatnot. And we all just get together and we chat about it and it's a really, really fun time. right? I'll go ahead and say it will start at 4:00 PM eastern standard time and it'll go until, I don't know, whenever we decide to stop dancing. What are you dancing?
Speaker 9:I am excited and I have to pee so I can't, I can't contain it. I me and jakey hung out the whole time last time. So it's going to be awesome.
Speaker 8:Yeah. I'm hoping I can hang out for this one. I popped in briefly in the last one. There's a lot of fun, but uh, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a really cool like for the people who don't know what this. Yeah, go to the bathroom. Mars. Jesus christ. He's fucking dancing around here. For the people who haven't. Who don't know what thIs is. Basically everyone. It just, there's a server that syncs up all the videos. Everyone can chat. It's basically just everyone hanging out watching the same thing at the same time. So it's really cool. You guys can check out wrestling from all over the fucking world. Uh, last time you guys put together a great little program of, you know, joshi, some classic stuff, some newer stuff and, and just some
Speaker 3:which, uh, which we try to cover everything like death match stuff, like we try to keep it kind of paced well and like a large variety of stuff. Plus it's like a really silly kind of atmosphere because there's a bunch of weird shit that I'll throw in there and it's, it's just a really good time and because everything sinked up, you don't have to start from the beginning and you know, synchronize your watches or assumption you can jump in three hours into it or whatever and still have a really good time. We had a good amount of people that weren't even interesting. Yeah, because I, I do stuff like this from my other podcast to called the muscle, um, or we watch action movies and it's always just a really good time to chat with like minded people and it's not the mill creek. Um, so yeah, just remember if you're going to mark it on your calendar September 15th at 4:00 PM eastern standard time. I actually started a little bit earlier just to kinda like get the playlist ready and handle all the, the, you know, little ins and outs. But yeah, it's, it's a lot, a lot of fun. I strongly encourage people to check it out, not just because we're doing it, just because I know it's really, really fun and I've always had a great time whether it be for this show or anywhere else. It's just a cool experience to be part of.
Speaker 8:Yeah, absolutely. And, and actually, um, I, I hope we do have one more episode before just so we can get, you know, let people know about it and get as many eyes on it because it is a lot of fun. And, and uh, you know, you guys programmed a great, great one last time. So I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm already like compiling what it's going to be and I've got some nice, you know, pretty deep ish cuts. Um, particularly for the people that will show up. Like you're going to see some, some cold shit, some cool shit you've never seen before. I can get excited. I get some ideas. I'll message you jakey yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it'll, it'll be, it'll be a collaborative thing and like anybody that's on this podcast will like, has the opportunity to contribute so it'll be a little bit of each of us in this.
Speaker 8:Yeah. So that'll be fun. So September 15th, jakey said probably about four, starting around four eastern and probably going all night until long into the night. Probably so. So everyone kind of bookmark that and keep that, uh, in, in the front of your head and that should be a lot of fun. And do we know what we're doing next week, next month yet guys, what big shows are coming up in the next month
Speaker 3:when you at least will be released sometime? Yeah. Yeah. Unless say like, isn't it? Yeah, unless they surprise us with, with bowl over gonna have to wait until october.
Speaker 2:There was peter n as in at the end of august, if I'm not mistaken, ddts big summer show. I'd like if we can get the side figured out exactly.
Speaker 8:There is um, I don't know if we want to do this or not. I know there's some discussion, but king of trios will probably, I think it's the first weekend in september, so I know mars isn't excited about the field this year. Yeah.
Speaker 10:Looks fucking ass. And I love that guy and I love that federation, but that field does not excite me.
Speaker 8:I don't know. I think it looks fine. The um, there was, there's a joshi team, I forget which one to joseph is the only one this year. I think it was just one this year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just one from tokyo. Who is that? Oh fuck. That was my lips and anger. It just sounded like you slit your belly button open and completely deflated. So it actually takes
Speaker 8:place at the end. So it starts in August 31st. So it's in, if it's in a few weeks, we have, um, the teams of. Let's see, I'll just, I'm not going to name all the teams. I'll name a couple that that might stick out. There's a kick kick. Atara is going to be teaming up with los ice creams. Wow. Catholic, which is interesting. There's the nexus alliance, which is pj black. Michael michael tarver. And fred ross, who is a, uh, darren young, so it's a nexus team I guess, sucks re, buck narrow pco and catarina lay who is also known as a katie. Katie virtual. Yup. A chris dickinson. Cam's a gummy and brian maloney cert team. I guess that's better than there is a, the shimmer collective which is madison eagles. ShaZa mckenzie and jessica troy madison equals off. Yeah, she's good. There's a tokyo joshi like jackie had mentioned to me, a mew yamashita. Hugo says suck saki and shoko nakajima and yeah, that's it really. It's a lot of, uh, chikara originals, so to speak. So it maybe not as star studded as in years past, so
Speaker 10:even Less than last year, which I thought was not very star studded it.
Speaker 8:Yeah. They have a big ross, a big homegirl roster now. So I guess I can see that. So I don't know. I mean we'll, we'll decide. We'll, we'll, we'll take a look and I would like to do ddt. So maybe to do
Speaker 2:well, I was wrong about ddt. That's not until october. Oh my god. Jakey site, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, exactly. I'm pretty sure the camp site match is, I'm coming out in august though, the one where they wrestle in the woods, so that might be fun. Um, cml anniversary shows on September 14th, which might be a little late for us to watch that last
Speaker 10:cut a promo on me that still has me like selling it to this day. It's like matt jackson's back.
Speaker 4:I was like, oh, I'm watching animals and you guys fucking swooped in, gave the high hat.
Speaker 8:So yeah. Well I guess instead of just, uh, you know, talking shit here, I, we'll figure it out and we'll let you guys know what we're gonna do. We'll, we'll pick a big shit all in ones that.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, that's on the first. I haven't really been paying attention to a tournament or anything, but is there russell one yokohama show? is that september on? Oh, that already happened. I'm pretty sure that already happen unless you're talking about a different tournament. Tournament leads up to the yokohama show is around saying, oh, I'm going to show I love them. They're like big show of the year. Isn't that like early, early, uh, late august, early september? Yeah. But like, since we're dealing with um, tv, I'm showing, it's like we may not be able to it. Yeah. So I don't think that's a guarantee because the. And then there's, the no is great voyage. They're like second yokohama show the year. That's usually october, so we couldn't do that. Yeah, we'll figure it out and we'll post it up on the social media.
Speaker 8:Yeah. So we're not sure yet. There's a couple of options. We'll figure it out and let you guys know. But uH, I guess that's it. we've covered our favorite matches, kind of our mvps and uh, you know, kind of the, some thoughts on the booking of the gun and you know, I would say overall, I mean this was a fucking great tournament and you know, like look, like was mentioned maybe not quite as good as last year, but there was a lot. It was very taught to every. There's a Lot of great matches.
Speaker 4:Yup. Yup. Good stuff. So. Alright, well if you go.
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Speaker 4:Maybe it's good if you combine it with the first part of the[inaudible]. It's one of the longest episodes we've ever. No,
Speaker 8:fair enough. There you go. I'll go. So it really is the longest episode, not the shortest. So I. well thank you guys for joining us for all this[inaudible] talk. it was a great tournament and we had a lot of fun talking about it and watching it. So hopefully you guys enjoyed it as much as we do. Feel free to message us on social media. Let us know your mvps, your favorite matches, and uh, what you think is going to happen moving forward. We'd love to hear from you guys. So. Well. Uh, everyone say goodbye, mars man. Say goodbye to the folks.
Speaker 2:You guys gotta fix ddt because I was about to get into that shit.
Speaker 8:All right. So, uh, that's going to be. It will see you guys for the rest of the five hospital. We'll see you next month.
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